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<P>Hey Stuart,</P>
<P>My comments will follow "response."</P></DIV>
<P> >On Thu, 7 Oct 2004, Jim Murphy wrote: </P>
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<DIV></DIV>> > As usual I have no idea what your talking about. Please address the
<DIV></DIV>> > issue.
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<DIV></DIV>>a) Every fraternity at GMU (where I graduated) that I heard about from
<DIV></DIV>> friends at GMU fellowship who converted/"got saved" at college
<DIV></DIV>> had similar rituals. For instance, Jack Greenfield's fraternity
<DIV></DIV>> required initiates to go to a cemetery at night, dig up a skull, light
<DIV></DIV>> a candle and place it inside the skull, and then drive a dagger
<DIV></DIV>> through a Bible by the candlelight. (This, of course, made him
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<P>> worry about whether he was too far gone to be saved.) </P>
<P><U>Response</U>: Membership in Skull & Bones is unlike most faternities. These guys are big time shakers and movers in this administration. There are 10 S&Bers in this administration and they are not bit players.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>> Every Fraternity at any other secular university that I every heard
<DIV></DIV>> any details about had similar rituals.
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<DIV></DIV>> This is why neither I nor any of my Christian friends ever joined any
<DIV></DIV>> fraternities/sororities.
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<DIV></DIV>> It seems that Satanic rituals were the "in thing" for fraternities
<DIV></DIV>> when we were in school. I haven't investigated, but I am assuming
<DIV></DIV>> that todays clubs and fraternities include some form of perverted orgy as
<DIV></DIV>> well.
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<DIV></DIV>>b) George Bush, at least, renounced all such evils of his past life
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<P>> following his conversion. </P>
<P><U>Response</U>: Mr Bush has been given at least 4 chances to say just what you said above and he passed each and every time. Two of his chances were within the past year on "Meet the Press" and he passed. His father also had several chances and like his son and Mr Kerry he passed on the chance. I find that troubling.</P>
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<DIV></DIV>>c) Since fraternity and weird occultic club membership is nearly universal -
<DIV></DIV>> especially at Ivy League schools - I can't see why having been a
<DIV></DIV>> member of such makes a secular university graduate stand out as
<DIV></DIV>> particularly evil. The unusual case would be someone who avoided
<DIV></DIV>> such membership.
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<DIV></DIV>>d) My sarcastic response was occasioned by my distain for argument by
<DIV></DIV>> innuendo. In its extreme form, the primary evidence supporting a
<DIV></DIV>> charge is the seriousness of the charge. In its more subtle form,
<DIV></DIV>> the primary evidence is certain facts which are presented as unusual
<DIV></DIV>> and unique to the subject of the charge, but which in fact are very
<DIV></DIV>> common, or even ubiquitous. For example, "Both Governor Bush and Cheney
<DIV></DIV>> once worked for a company that did business with the Saudi's". Ooooooh.
<DIV></DIV>> He must be in league with them! A certain popular movie documentary
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<P>> contains nothing *but* argument by innuendo. </P>
<P><U>Response</U>: This makes no sense to me. What innuendo? There is not question that Mr Bush and Mr Kerry are members of Skull & Bones. They do everything they can to duck the topic. Never do they say what I'm sure you would say in a similar situation like, "Look that was in the past. Before I turned my life around. Of course I have nothing to do with the death cult. I'm a Christian now." Not these guys.</P>
<DIV></DIV>> Remind me never to run for office, because my company has worked for
<DIV></DIV>> Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and United Arab Emirates. I have
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<P>> even used the late King Hussein's palace bathroom. (Real gold towel, bars, toilet paper holders, and trim. Royal purple towels.) </P>
<P><U>Response:</U> Would it be a problem is these guys were Klan members? How about Freemasons? </P></div></html>