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<P>Democrats are famous for vote fraud, but when it comes to the new stuff they're rookies. The Republicans even own some of the companies that make the new voting machines ( Guys like Chuckie Hagel) and I suspect they will be stealing elections for many years to come. Check out the stuff by Greg Palast and Bev Harris.<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Art Kelly <arthurkelly@yahoo.com>
<DIV></DIV>>To: Jim Murphy <jmurf80@msn.com>
<DIV></DIV>>CC: apologetics@gathman.org
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: Re: Electronic Vote Systems
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Sat, 9 Oct 2004 14:48:17 -0700 (PDT)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Stuart,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I agree with you about the unrealiability of
<DIV></DIV>>electronic voting systems and their vulnerability to
<DIV></DIV>>fraud.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I was concerned about punch card systems and scanned
<DIV></DIV>>ballots long before Florida.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I've served as an election judge in both Houston and
<DIV></DIV>>Austin. I've not yet been an election judge or worker
<DIV></DIV>>in Fairfax County, but I'd like to do it sometime.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>In the meantime, the persons you need to contact are
<DIV></DIV>>your state senator and state delegate. As members of
<DIV></DIV>>the General Assembly, they make the election laws.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Tell them what the state law needs to say about
<DIV></DIV>>safeguarding electronic vote procedures.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Art
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Art
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>--- "Stuart D. Gathman" <stuart@bmsi.com> wrote:
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> > On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Jim Murphy wrote:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > You continually imply that Skull & Bones is a
<DIV></DIV>> > thing of the past. Time
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Not only did I not imply that, but I shouted the
<DIV></DIV>> > opposite in capital
<DIV></DIV>> > letters, for instance,
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > "clubs and frats today ARE EVEN WORSE"
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > guys are current members of Skull & Bones. They
<DIV></DIV>> > are current members of
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > You need to define what you mean by "member". If
<DIV></DIV>> > Bush and Kerry continue
<DIV></DIV>> > to this day to attend monthly ceremonies where they
<DIV></DIV>> > take part in occultic
<DIV></DIV>> > rituals, I would be concerned. If you mean that
<DIV></DIV>> > Bush and Kerry never formally
<DIV></DIV>> > renounced their membership in their college club, we
<DIV></DIV>> > come back to why is this
<DIV></DIV>> > sin so special? And why pick on Bush and Kerry?
<DIV></DIV>> > Nearly everyone who
<DIV></DIV>> > attends college joins a frat - and nearly all the
<DIV></DIV>> > frats are just as bad.
<DIV></DIV>> > I hate frats. I am staggered at the blindness
<DIV></DIV>> > evinced by people who
<DIV></DIV>> > join them at their peril.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > But, once again, let me try to state my objection
<DIV></DIV>> > another way:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > The fact that Bush and Kerry joined an occultic
<DIV></DIV>> > frat in college
<DIV></DIV>> > is not statistically significant.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > This doesn't mean I think such frats are no big deal
<DIV></DIV>> > - it means that
<DIV></DIV>> > Bush and Kerry and no better or worse that the
<DIV></DIV>> > majority of Yale graduates -
<DIV></DIV>> > of which there are many.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > We are in the grip of a revolutionary power and
<DIV></DIV>> > at the core is Satan. I
<DIV></DIV>> > > believe that this sick, partial list of horrors is
<DIV></DIV>> > related to the occult
<DIV></DIV>> > > activities of our president and his fellow
<DIV></DIV>> > Bonesmen.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Yes, but the key to the power is that nearly
<DIV></DIV>> > everyone gets the occult
<DIV></DIV>> > frat treatment. Cherry picking member who also
<DIV></DIV>> > happen to be leaders
<DIV></DIV>> > is not only erroneous thinking, but ignores that
<DIV></DIV>> > base of Satan's power.
<DIV></DIV>> > His power is not dependent on a cabal of secret
<DIV></DIV>> > Luciferians. He would
<DIV></DIV>> > love for us to get distracted trying to descern the
<DIV></DIV>> > membership of a
<DIV></DIV>> > secret cabal. In the meantime, most Americans get
<DIV></DIV>> > indoctrinated from
<DIV></DIV>> > "HeadStart" through college with sexual perversion,
<DIV></DIV>> > old descredited
<DIV></DIV>> > hoaxes presented as scientific fact, and occultic
<DIV></DIV>> > philosophy
<DIV></DIV>> > ("you must choose for yourself what is right and
<DIV></DIV>> > what is wrong").
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Much closer to attacking the root of the problem are
<DIV></DIV>> > these guys:
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.honested.com/
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > For several years I have been trying to point out
<DIV></DIV>> > that something is
<DIV></DIV>> > > deeply wrong with the current conservative
<DIV></DIV>> > movement. One sign after
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Amen.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > > OK, I give up. I don't want to go to the detention
<DIV></DIV>> > center. I'll send in
<DIV></DIV>> > > my money early for the 2008 Arnold campaign for
<DIV></DIV>> > president. How's this
<DIV></DIV>> > > sound? VOTE FOR THE GROPPENFUHER IN 08!
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > How about visiting
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > http://www.electionmethods.org/
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > to educate yourself and campaigning to allow
<DIV></DIV>> > "Approval voting" (vote for 0 or
<DIV></DIV>> > more of the above) so that the true level support
<DIV></DIV>> > for 3rd party candidates
<DIV></DIV>> > can be seen? I would love to be able to vote for
<DIV></DIV>> > the Constitution Party
<DIV></DIV>> > candidate without "throwing away" my vote. Start
<DIV></DIV>> > with the local level.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > And there is a big security problem with the
<DIV></DIV>> > upcoming election:
<DIV></DIV>> > voting machines in Fairfax County have been replaced
<DIV></DIV>> > with new WinVote
<DIV></DIV>> > machines. I have nothing against electronic voting,
<DIV></DIV>> > but these machines
<DIV></DIV>> > provide no auditability. Worse, they communicate
<DIV></DIV>> > the vote counts via
<DIV></DIV>> > a wireless network using WEP - for which cracking
<DIV></DIV>> > methods are so well
<DIV></DIV>> > known that they come with an easy to use GUI for
<DIV></DIV>> > Windows or Linux.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > You can read about the current drive to allow
<DIV></DIV>> > massive election fraud
<DIV></DIV>> > via unauditable voting machines at
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > http://verifiedvoting.org
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > Last year, the Repubs got burned. Voting machines
<DIV></DIV>> > which "crashed" (they
<DIV></DIV>> > run Windows) were removed from the polling places,
<DIV></DIV>> > taken to a "service center",
<DIV></DIV>> > then returned to the polling place with "the vote
<DIV></DIV>> > counts restored".
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > By law, the Repubs could demand a recount, but there
<DIV></DIV>> > was nothing to count!
<DIV></DIV>> > Similar situations occurred in Florida and many
<DIV></DIV>> > other states - which you
<DIV></DIV>> > can read about at the site above.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > These voting machines are not legal - and those
<DIV></DIV>> > fighting for basic
<DIV></DIV>> > accountability in elections come equally from Left
<DIV></DIV>> > and Right. I
<DIV></DIV>> > have argued about this with County election
<DIV></DIV>> > officials, but they
<DIV></DIV>> > condescendingly pretend that all such concerns are
<DIV></DIV>> > "technophobia".
<DIV></DIV>> > Bah. A technical solution for Fairfax County (given
<DIV></DIV>> > that they
<DIV></DIV>> > have already bought the WinVote machines) - which
<DIV></DIV>> > can still be implemented by
<DIV></DIV>> > November - is to install printers on the voting
<DIV></DIV>> > machines behind glass. That
<DIV></DIV>> > way, voters can see their vote printed before it
<DIV></DIV>> > drops into a locked ballot
<DIV></DIV>> > box. If there are questions about the election, the
<DIV></DIV>> > printed votes can be
<DIV></DIV>> > counted as required by law.
<DIV></DIV>> >
<DIV></DIV>> > --
<DIV></DIV>> > Stuart D. Gathman <stuart@bmsi.com>
<DIV></DIV>> > Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703
<DIV></DIV>> > 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
<DIV></DIV>> > "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" -
<DIV></DIV>> > background song for
<DIV></DIV>> > a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from
<DIV></DIV>> > here?" commercial.
<DIV></DIV>> >
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