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<P>Hey Art,</P>
<P>I'm with you that I do not believe much of what is promoted in the conspiracy community. In fact I find almost every single player to be somewhat weird or at least inconsistent in their general behavior. I would like to know what all of these people qouted are talking about. I think that there is solid evidence that there is a New World Order. I'll be the first one to admit that I have no idea what the heck it is in any concrete form. I confess to being very confused on the matter, but what the heck are all of these major players talking about. I'm a guy that doesn't even believe in UFO's! Perhaps I'm cracking up, but what a weird time for it to happen. Business is booming, family is happy and healthy and my golf game is real strong right now. I'm confident that I do not belong in this group and the only reason I signed-up again is Stuart forced me to before he would release the names of the group members. By the way I never got the list of members. I've probably made the mistake of thinking about this group as mostly being composed of our original members and will likely find out that I now few of these kind folks.</P>
<P>Murf<BR><BR></P></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>>From: Art Kelly <arthurkelly@yahoo.com>
<DIV></DIV>>To: Jim Murphy <jmurf80@msn.com>, Apologetics Group <apologetics@gathman.org>
<DIV></DIV>>Subject: RE: [Apologetics] Re: 9-11 Questions
<DIV></DIV>>Date: Wed, 20 Oct 2004 07:07:03 -0700 (PDT)
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Jim,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Your self deprecating humor is funny.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I'm sure there are many people who believe in all
<DIV></DIV>>kinds of conspiracies. In fact, there was a book
<DIV></DIV>>written back in the 1960s or 1970s, None Dare Care It
<DIV></DIV>>Conspiracy.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Some conservatives think the Trilaeral Commission is
<DIV></DIV>>some kind of giant conspiracy. Some liberals think
<DIV></DIV>>the Council for National Policy (CNP), where I worked
<DIV></DIV>>for six years, is some kind of giant conspiracy. And
<DIV></DIV>>of course, some folks think the Catholic Church is
<DIV></DIV>>secretly running the world.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>The're all wrong.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Suppose you wanted to start some conspiracy. Or you
<DIV></DIV>>wanted to engineer something like 9-11 for some reason
<DIV></DIV>>of another (what could it possibly be?), how could you
<DIV></DIV>>do it with all of the details to pull it off without
<DIV></DIV>>it being detected by outsiders?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>It simmply could not be done.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>That's not to say that liberals don't work together
<DIV></DIV>>through the Trilateral Commission or conservatives
<DIV></DIV>>don't work together through CNP. There is nothing
<DIV></DIV>>wrong with bringing people together to work for common
<DIV></DIV>>purposes to educate themselves and influence public
<DIV></DIV>>policies.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Nevertheless, I am fascinated by some of the
<DIV></DIV>>information you've provided. You obviously know a
<DIV></DIV>>whole lot more about these matters than I do.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I think some of us would like to get together with you
<DIV></DIV>>sometime to hear a detailed presentation about 9-11
<DIV></DIV>>and other matters. As I said before, I think there is
<DIV></DIV>>"more to this than meets the eye."
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I believe you've definitely reached the wrong
<DIV></DIV>>conclusions. There are other conclusions that can be
<DIV></DIV>>drawn from some of the facts you've mentioned,
<DIV></DIV>>assuming they are somewhat accurate. Still, I'd like
<DIV></DIV>>to explore them with you sometime.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Art
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>--- Jim Murphy <jmurf80@msn.com> wrote:
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<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Hi Art,
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Hold on, the nurse just came into my room to give me
<DIV></DIV>>my medication. I'm better now.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I do not believe that we are in the middle of a
<DIV></DIV>>conspiracy. I believe we are near the end of one.
<DIV></DIV>>It has been in plain view for 75 years. Our society
<DIV></DIV>>is crumbling right before our eyes. I believe that
<DIV></DIV>>none of the rotten stuff we have all been complaining
<DIV></DIV>>about has been an accident. It is a carefully
<DIV></DIV>>planned, out-in-the-open, systematic approach to
<DIV></DIV>>nothing less than the destruction of this county. I
<DIV></DIV>>believe we are headed in the direction of a form of
<DIV></DIV>>feudalism. I believe that over the next few years,
<DIV></DIV>>our government will terrorize us into submission.
<DIV></DIV>>Welcome to the hi-tech police state.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I certainly do understand how Catholics and
<DIV></DIV>>Protestants can support Mr Bush. I don't think it
<DIV></DIV>>matters much which Skull & Boner wins this time. The
<DIV></DIV>>next few years such be fasinating.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>I have included a partial list of quotes that you
<DIV></DIV>>might find interesting. What were these folks talking
<DIV></DIV>>about? I have over 100 quotes like the ones that
<DIV></DIV>>follow. Are these people joking around? Please
<DIV></DIV>>carefully read each and every quote and ask yourself
<DIV></DIV>>if this is some hidden conspiracy? I must go now
<DIV></DIV>>because I hear the voices.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>Murf
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"Today, America would be outraged if U.N. troops
<DIV></DIV>>entered Los Angeles to restore order [referring to the
<DIV></DIV>>1991 LA Riot]. Tomorrow they will be grateful! This is
<DIV></DIV>>especially true if they were told that there were an
<DIV></DIV>>outside threat from beyond [i.e., an
<DIV></DIV>>"extraterrestrial" invasion], whether real or
<DIV></DIV>>*promulgated* [emphasis mine], that threatened our
<DIV></DIV>>very existence. It is then that all peoples of the
<DIV></DIV>>world will plead to deliver them from this evil. The
<DIV></DIV>>one thing every man fears is the unknown. When
<DIV></DIV>>presented with this *scenario*, individual rights will
<DIV></DIV>>be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their
<DIV></DIV>>well-being granted to them by the World Government."
<DIV></DIV>>Dr. Henry Kissinger, Bilderberger Conference, Evians,
<DIV></DIV>>France, 1991.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's
<DIV></DIV>>views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest
<DIV></DIV>>men in the United States, in the Field of commerce and
<DIV></DIV>>manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that
<DIV></DIV>>there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so
<DIV></DIV>>watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive,
<DIV></DIV>>that they better not speak above their breath when
<DIV></DIV>>they speak in condemnation of it." Woodrow Wilson, The
<DIV></DIV>>New Freedom (1913).
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The real truth of the matter is, as you and I know,
<DIV></DIV>>that a financial element in the larger centers has
<DIV></DIV>>owned the Government ever since the days of Andrew
<DIV></DIV>>Jackson." A letter written by FDR to Colonel House,
<DIV></DIV>>November 21st, l933 .
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> "The real rulers in Washington are invisible, and
<DIV></DIV>>exercise power from behind the scenes." Supreme Court
<DIV></DIV>>Justice Felix Frankfurter, 1952.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"Fifty men have run America, and that's a high
<DIV></DIV>>figure." Joseph Kennedy, father of JFK, in the July
<DIV></DIV>>26th, l936 issue of The New York Times.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The drive of the Rockefellers and their allies is to
<DIV></DIV>>create a one-world government combining
<DIV></DIV>>supercapitalism and Communism under the same tent, all
<DIV></DIV>>under their control.... Do I mean conspiracy? Yes I
<DIV></DIV>>do. I am convinced there is such a plot, international
<DIV></DIV>>in scope, generations old in planning, and incredibly
<DIV></DIV>>evil in intent." Congressman Larry P. McDonald, 1976,
<DIV></DIV>>killed in the Korean Airlines 747 that was shot down
<DIV></DIV>>by the Soviets
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"We are grateful to The Washington Post, The New York
<DIV></DIV>>Times, Time Magazine and other great publications
<DIV></DIV>>whose directors have attended our meetings and
<DIV></DIV>>respected their promises of discretion for almost
<DIV></DIV>>forty years. It would have been impossible for us to
<DIV></DIV>>develop our plan for the world if we had been subject
<DIV></DIV>>to the bright lights of publicity during those years.
<DIV></DIV>>But, the work is now much more sophisticated and
<DIV></DIV>>prepared to march towards a world government. The
<DIV></DIV>>supranational sovereignty of an intellectual elite and
<DIV></DIV>>world bankers is surely preferable to the national
<DIV></DIV>>autodetermination practiced in past centuries." David
<DIV></DIV>>Rockefeller, founder of the Trilateral Commission, in
<DIV></DIV>>an address to a meeting of The Trilateral Commission,
<DIV></DIV>>in June, 1991.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"In March, 1915, the J.P. Morgan interests, the steel,
<DIV></DIV>>shipbuilding, and powder interest, and their
<DIV></DIV>>subsidiary organizations, got together 12 men high up
<DIV></DIV>>in the newspaper world and employed them to select the
<DIV></DIV>>most influential newspapers in the United States and
<DIV></DIV>>sufficient number of them to control generally the
<DIV></DIV>>policy of the daily press....They found it was only
<DIV></DIV>>necessary to purchase the control of 25 of the
<DIV></DIV>>greatest papers.
<DIV></DIV>> "An agreement was reached; the policy of the
<DIV></DIV>>papers was bought, to be paid for by the month; an
<DIV></DIV>>editor was furnished for each paper to properly
<DIV></DIV>>supervise and edit information regarding the questions
<DIV></DIV>>of preparedness, militarism, financial policies, and
<DIV></DIV>>other things of national and international nature
<DIV></DIV>>considered vital to the interests of the purchasers."
<DIV></DIV>>U.S. Congressman Oscar Callaway, 1917.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"In the next century, nations as we know it will be
<DIV></DIV>>obsolete; all states will recognize a single, global
<DIV></DIV>>authority. National sovereignty wasn't such a great
<DIV></DIV>>idea after all." Strobe Talbot, President Clinton's
<DIV></DIV>>Deputy Secretary of State, as quoted in Time, July
<DIV></DIV>>20th, l992.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"We shall have world government whether or not you
<DIV></DIV>>like it, by conquest or consent." Statement by Council
<DIV></DIV>>on Foreign Relations (CFR) member James Warburg to The
<DIV></DIV>>Senate Foreign Relations Committee on February 17th,
<DIV></DIV>>1950
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> "The governments of the present day have to deal not
<DIV></DIV>>merely with other governments, with emperors, kings
<DIV></DIV>>and ministers, but also with the secret societies
<DIV></DIV>>which have everywhere their unscrupulous agents, and
<DIV></DIV>>can at the last moment upset all the governments'
<DIV></DIV>>plans. " British Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli,
<DIV></DIV>>1876.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"We are not going to achieve a new world order without
<DIV></DIV>>paying for it in blood as well as in words and money."
<DIV></DIV>>Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., in Foreign Affairs
<DIV></DIV>>(July/August 1995).
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"Today the path of total dictatorship in the United
<DIV></DIV>>States can be laid by strictly legal means, unseen and
<DIV></DIV>>unheard by the Congress, the President, or the people.
<DIV></DIV>>Outwardly we have a Constitutional government. We have
<DIV></DIV>>operating within our government and political system,
<DIV></DIV>>another body representing another form of government -
<DIV></DIV>>a bureaucratic elite. Senator William Jenner, 1954
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The case for government by elites is irrefutable"
<DIV></DIV>>Senator William Fulbright, Former chairman of the US
<DIV></DIV>>Senate Foreign Relations Committee, stated at a 1963
<DIV></DIV>>symposium entitled: The Elite and the Electorate - Is
<DIV></DIV>>Government by the People Possible?
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The Trilateral Commission is intended to be the
<DIV></DIV>>vehicle for multinational consolidation of the
<DIV></DIV>>commercial and banking interests by seizing control of
<DIV></DIV>>the political government of the United States. The
<DIV></DIV>>Trilateral Commission represents a skillful,
<DIV></DIV>>coordinated effort to seize control and consolidate
<DIV></DIV>>the four centers of power political, monetary,
<DIV></DIV>>intellectual and ecclesiastical. What the Trilateral
<DIV></DIV>>Commission intends is to create a worldwide economic
<DIV></DIV>>power superior to the political governments of the
<DIV></DIV>>nationstates involved. As managers and creators of the
<DIV></DIV>>system ,they will rule the future." U.S. Senator Barry
<DIV></DIV>>Goldwater in his l964 book: With No Apologies.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>"The powers of financial capitalism had another far
<DIV></DIV>>reaching aim, nothing less than to create a world
<DIV></DIV>>system of financial control in private hands able to
<DIV></DIV>>dominate the political system of each country and the
<DIV></DIV>>economy of the world as a whole. This system was to be
<DIV></DIV>>controlled in a feudalist fashion by the central banks
<DIV></DIV>>of the world acting in concert, by secret agreements,
<DIV></DIV>>arrived at in frequent private meetings and
<DIV></DIV>>conferences. The apex of the system was the Bank for
<DIV></DIV>>International Settlements in Basle, Switzerland, a
<DIV></DIV>>private bank owned and controlled by the worlds'
<DIV></DIV>>central banks which were themselves private
<DIV></DIV>>corporations. The growth of financial capitalism made
<DIV></DIV>>possible a centralization of world economic control
<DIV></DIV>>and use of this power for the direct benefit of
<DIV></DIV>>financiers and the indirect injury of all other
<DIV></DIV>>economic groups." Tragedy and Hope: A History of The
<DIV></DIV>>World in Our Time (Macmillan Company, 1966,) Professor
<DIV></DIV>>Carroll Quigley of Georget! own University, highly
<DIV></DIV>>esteemed by his former student, William Jefferson
<DIV></DIV>>Blythe Clinton.
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> "The Council on Foreign Relations is "the
<DIV></DIV>>establishment." Not only does it have influence and
<DIV></DIV>>power in key decision-making positions at the highest
<DIV></DIV>>levels of government to apply pressure from above, but
<DIV></DIV>>it also announces and uses individuals and groups to
<DIV></DIV>>bring pressure from below, to justify the high level
<DIV></DIV>>decisions for converting the U.S. from a sovereign
<DIV></DIV>>Constitutional Republic into a servile member state of
<DIV></DIV>>a one-world dictatorship." Former Congressman John
<DIV></DIV>>Rarick 1971
<DIV></DIV>>
<DIV></DIV>> "The New World Order will have to be built from the
<DIV></DIV>>bottom up rather than from the top down...but in the
<DIV></DIV>>end run around national sovereignty, eroding it piece
<DIV></DIV>>by piece will accomplish much more than the old
<DIV></DIV>>fashioned frontal assault." CFR member Richard
<DIV></DIV>>Gardner, writing in the April l974 issue of the CFR's
<DIV></DIV>>journal, Foreign Affairs.
<DIV></DIV>>
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