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<DIV>If "imagery is a idol" then is it safe to assume that you don't have any photos in your house, wallet, or office? </DIV>
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<DIV>Using your logic, taken to the extreme, written words are images of the sounds we make so they idols also. Therefore, Holy Scripture would be an idol (which some people do almost make the Bible into an idol). And we all know that is ridiculous.</DIV>
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<DIV>Dianne<BR></DIV>
<DIV><BR><B><I>Stephen Korsman <skorsman@theotokos.co.za></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I don't believe that the Catholic position is indefensible. It's simply a matter of deciding to what extent a spirit God can be worshipped in a physical way. The Bible - New Testament as well as Old - is filled with physical forms of worship.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I go into that at the end of my article on statues on my website at </FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/idols.html">http://www.theotokos.co.za/adventism/idols.html</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>God bless,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=dennisorr2@cox.net href="mailto:dennisorr2@cox.net">Dennis Orr</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=skorsman@theotokos.co.za href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za">Stephen Korsman</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 10:36 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Apologetics] Bigotry in Chicago</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephan;</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I happen to agree with the journalist's position. God is a Spirit; We who worship Him, do so in Spirit and Truth! Syncretism has penetrated into our worship through the accretion of symbols that have no place in our worship. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally, I hate, and I mean "HATE", all of the portraits of blue-eyed, golden hippy haired icons and statuary that represent God or man. Mary has great honor in my theology, because under the anointing of the Holy Spirit she proclaimed that all generations would call her "blessed". But imagery is a idol. The Roman Catholic Church has erred greatly in this profusion of Christ, God, Mary, angels and specific saints statues. I am relieved that they haven't tried to make a statue to depict the Holy Spirit!</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So, do not try to defend that which is indefensible.....</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dennis Orr</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B> <A title=skorsman@theotokos.co.za href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za">Stephen Korsman</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apologetics@gathman.org href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 18, 2005 1:14 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Apologetics] Bigotry in Chicago</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><BR><FONT face=Arial size=2>A Chicago newspaper, The Herald News, refers to statue of Mary as an "idol." Please write to the author and to the editorial staff to tell them what you think. My response below.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><A href="http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/top/4_1_JO18_STATUE_S1.htm">http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/top/4_1_JO18_STATUE_S1.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Author: </FONT><A class=linkover href="mailto:daulet@scn1.com?Subject=SCN1.Story.Response"><FONT face=Arial size=2>Dawn Aulet</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Editor: </FONT><A href="mailto:HeraldNews@scn1.com?Subject=SCNmedia.HN.Letter.to.Editor"><FONT face=Arial size=2>SEND IT NOW</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2> [from </FONT><A href="http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/aboutus/"><FONT face=Arial size=2>http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/aboutus/</FONT></A><FONT face=Arial size=2>]</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>God bless,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>I am disappointed with the article at <A href="http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/top/4_1_JO18_STATUE_S1.htm">http://www.suburbanchicagonews.com/heraldnews/top/4_1_JO18_STATUE_S1.htm</A>, which calls the statue an idol.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>"Idol" has definite negative connotations, namely idolatry, worship of a false god. Since Catholics do not worship statues, or Mary, the term is out of line.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>A better term would be "image" or "statue."</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Also, the link to <A href="http://www.ourladyofthemillennium.com/">http://www.ourladyofthemillennium.com/</A> is incorrect - there is a space in front of the "our" which makes it an invalid link, which fails when merely clicked on.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Regards,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
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