<div>Art,</div> <div> </div> <div>Can you site recent evidence that Thompson supports abortion?</div> <div> </div> <div>Dianne<BR><BR><B><I>Art Kelly <arthurkelly@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</div> <BLOCKQUOTE class=replbq style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #1010ff 2px solid">Dianne,<BR><BR>Of course, people can be converted. But there is no<BR>evidence that I've seen to indicate that Thompson has<BR>had a change of heart on abortion.<BR><BR>Art<BR><BR>--- Dianne Dawson <RCDIANNE@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR><BR>> Thank Art. I'm sure that the pro-abortion folks<BR>> will chew on this for awhile. However, as is<BR>> mentioned at the end of this article, we have to<BR>> focus on where he is now. Remember "Roe" was<BR>> pro-abortion at one time also. Look where she is<BR>> now on the issue.<BR>> <BR>> Dianne<BR>> <BR>> Art Kelly <ARTHURKELLY@YAHOO.COM>wrote:<BR>>
<BR>><BR>http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/politics/la-na-thompson8jul08,1,6126333.story?ctrack=2&cset=true<BR>> <BR>> >From the Los Angeles Times<BR>> <BR>> Thompson star dims on abortion issue<BR>> <BR>> Conservatives are anxious after a family-planning<BR>> group claims that he once lobbied on its behalf<BR>> against the so-called gag rule.<BR>> <BR>> By Janet Hook<BR>> Times Staff Writer<BR>> <BR>> July 8, 2007<BR>> <BR>> WASHINGTON — Republican political activists said<BR>> Saturday that reports that Fred D. Thompson had<BR>> lobbied to ease a controversial abortion restriction<BR>> have cast a shadow on his effort to persuade social<BR>> conservatives — a key constituency in his emerging<BR>> bid<BR>> for the White House — that he is an unwavering<BR>> opponent of abortion.<BR>> <BR>> Some Republican activists urged caution in<BR>> evaluating<BR>> Thompson's record. Others
considered it damaging for<BR>> questions to arise about his position on abortion, a<BR>> litmus-test issue for many social conservatives. <BR>> <BR>> "That would not be helpful," said Paul M. Weyrich, a<BR>> conservative leader who has not endorsed a<BR>> presidential candidate.<BR>> <BR>> Evidence that Thompson worked for a family-planning<BR>> group in 1991 as part of his little-known but<BR>> extensive portfolio as a part-time lobbyist<BR>> underscores how much the public has yet to learn<BR>> about<BR>> the former senator, who is best known for acting in<BR>> movies and on TV, especially his role as a district<BR>> attorney on the popular show "Law & Order." <BR>> <BR>> The article in Saturday's Los Angeles Times cited<BR>> records and the accounts of several people<BR>> associated<BR>> with the issue. It also said Thompson's spokesman<BR>> strongly denied Thompson had performed such lobbying<BR>>
work.<BR>> <BR>> Some conservatives said the lobbying claims added to<BR>> anxieties. Though the GOP has been unwavering in its<BR>> opposition to abortion at least since President<BR>> Reagan, the positions of its presidential<BR>> front-runners appear to be less unequivocal.<BR>> <BR>> Former New York Mayor Rudolph W. Giuliani supports<BR>> abortion rights. Former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt<BR>> Romney<BR>> is a recent convert to opposing abortion rights.<BR>> Sen.<BR>> John McCain (R-Ariz.) opposes abortion but has never<BR>> made that a central issue in his career.<BR>> <BR>> "With all the people who keep changing their minds<BR>> on<BR>> abortion, that's got to be unsettling," Weyrich<BR>> said.<BR>> <BR>> The result is a GOP abortion debate lacking one<BR>> thing<BR>> that activists on both sides of the issue long for:<BR>> certitude. <BR>> <BR>> "People want to see clarity and consistency on
this<BR>> issue," said Ted Miller, spokesman for NARAL<BR>> Pro-Choice America, which supports abortion rights. <BR>> <BR>> A big question for Thompson, who is expected to<BR>> declare his candidacy in the next week or two, is<BR>> whether this will disillusion Republicans who have<BR>> seen him as a white knight to rescue the party from<BR>> candidates unpalatable to many conservatives.<BR>> <BR>> "This will hurt, particularly because conservatives<BR>> have been dying for a champion to be in the arena<BR>> for<BR>> them," said David Carney, a New Hampshire-based GOP<BR>> strategist who is not aligned with any candidate. "A<BR>> lot hoped he was the guy…. People who really believe<BR>> in the pro-life cause will not be happy." <BR>> <BR>> As a Tennessee senator from December 1994 to January<BR>> 2003, Thompson sided with antiabortion advocates on<BR>> most key issues. That record has been a big reason<BR>>
conservatives have looked to him as an alternative<BR>> to<BR>> established GOP candidates. <BR>> <BR>> But some critics have pointed to statements he made<BR>> before becoming senator to suggest that he was<BR>> sympathetic to abortion rights. Thompson has said<BR>> that<BR>> those statements were misconstrued and that he has<BR>> become even more passionate in his abortion<BR>> opposition<BR>> since seeing the sonogram of his now-3-year-old<BR>> daughter.<BR>> <BR>> In 1991, according to several people then affiliated<BR>> with the National Family Planning and Reproductive<BR>> Health Assn., he accepted an assignment from the<BR>> association to lobby the White House to withdraw or<BR>> relax a "gag rule" that barred abortion counseling<BR>> at<BR>> clinics that received federal money.<BR>> <BR>> The minutes of a 1991 meeting — given to The Times —<BR>> say the association's president reported to
the<BR>> board<BR>> that the association had hired him. And a Democratic<BR>> colleague of Thompson's at the lobbying and law firm<BR>> also recalled Thompson having worked for the<BR>> association. <BR>> <BR>> Thompson spokesman Mark Corallo has adamantly denied<BR>> that Thompson worked for the group. And the White<BR>> House official whom the group was seeking to reach,<BR>> then-Chief of Staff John H. Sununu, said Thompson<BR>> didn't lobby him.<BR>> <BR>> Some Republicans argued that the account was<BR>> politically motivated, noting it came from<BR>> abortion-rights advocates with little affection for<BR>> the GOP.<BR>> <BR>> Thompson's GOP rivals in the presidential contest<BR>> seized on the account but declined to comment for<BR>> the<BR>> record.<BR>> <BR>> "Each day that gets closer to Fred Thompson's<BR>> announcement as a candidate, we learn new<BR>> information<BR>> about his record
and his career that shows he<BR>> doesn't<BR>> have the conservative credentials that primary<BR>> voters<BR>> are looking for," said a strategist for a rival.<BR>> <BR>> However, a leading backer of Romney is more<BR>> forgiving.<BR>> Romney is himself asking voters to pay more<BR>> attention<BR>> to his current abortion opposition than to his past<BR>> record.<BR>> <BR>> Thompson "had a change of heart on the abortion<BR>> issue," said James Bopp Jr., an antiabortion leader.<BR>> "This story is about something that happened in<BR>> 1991.<BR>> He's walked through the burning embers, and there is<BR>> no reason to think his change of heart was not<BR>> sincere." <BR>> <BR>> Anne Hendershott, author of "The Politics of<BR>> Abortion," said the report would probably not hurt<BR>> Thompson if antiabortion activists were pragmatic<BR>> and<BR>> focused on where he stood now, not on the position<BR>>
of<BR>> a group he might have worked for 16 years ago: "Fred<BR>> Thompson says he is pro-life now, and that is what<BR>> is<BR>> important to the pro-lifers." <BR>> <BR>> But the account is also a reminder that, although<BR>> Thompson is positioning himself to run as an<BR>> anti-establishment outsider, his resume is that of a<BR>> consummate Washington insider.<BR>> <BR>> "He wasn't the conservative firebrand some are<BR>> making<BR>> him out to be now," Carney said.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> janet.hook@latimes.com<BR>> <BR>> --<BR>> <BR>> Times staff writer Mark Barabak contributed to this<BR>> report.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-na-thompson7jul07,1,1358124.story?ctrack=1&cset=true<BR>> <BR>> >From the Los Angeles Times<BR>> <BR>> Thompson lobbied for abortion-rights
group, it says<BR>> <BR>> A spokesman for the GOP presidential hopeful says he<BR>> did no such work. An ex-colleague calls the denial<BR>> 'bizarre.<BR>> '<BR>> By Michael Finnegan<BR>> Times Staff Writer<BR>> <BR>> July 7, 2007<BR>> <BR>> Fred D. Thompson, who is campaigning for president<BR>> as<BR>> an antiabortion Republican, accepted an assignment<BR>> from a family-planning group to lobby the first Bush<BR>> White House to ease a controversial abortion<BR>> restriction, according to a 1991 document and<BR>> several<BR>> people familiar with the matter. <BR>> <BR>> A spokesman for the former Tennessee senator denied<BR>> that Thompson did the lobbying work. But the minutes<BR>> of a 1991 board meeting of the National Family<BR>> Planning and Reproductive Health Assn. say that the<BR>> group hired Thompson that year.<BR>> <BR>> His task was to urge the administration of President<BR>>
George H. W. Bush to withdraw or relax a rule that<BR>> barred abortion counseling at clinics that received<BR>> federal money, according to the records and to<BR>> people<BR>> who worked on the matter.<BR>> <BR>> The abortion "gag rule" was then a major political<BR>> flashpoint. Lobbying against the rule would have<BR>> placed Thompson at odds with the antiabortion<BR>> movement<BR>> that he is now trying to rally behind his expected<BR>> declaration of a presidential bid. <BR>> <BR>> Thompson spokesman Mark Corallo adamantly denied<BR>> that<BR>> Thompson worked for the family planning group. "Fred<BR>> Thompson did not lobby for this group, period," he<BR>> said in an e-mail. <BR>> <BR>> In a telephone interview, he added: "There's no<BR>> documents to prove it, there's no billing records,<BR>> and<BR>> Thompson says he has no recollection of it, says it<BR>> didn't happen." In a separate interview,
John H.<BR>> Sununu, the White House official whom the family<BR>> planning group wanted to contact, said he had no<BR>> memory of the lobbying and doubted it took place.<BR>> <BR>> But Judith DeSarno, who was president of the family<BR>> planning association in 1991, said Thompson lobbied<BR>> for the group for several months.<BR>> <BR>> Minutes from the board's meeting of Sept. 14, 1991 —<BR>> a<BR>> copy of which DeSarno gave to The Times — say: "Judy<BR>> [DeSarno] reported that the association had hired<BR>> Fred<BR>> Thompson Esq. as counsel to aid us in discussions<BR>> with<BR>> the administration" on the abortion counseling rule.<BR>> <BR>> Former Rep. Michael D. Barnes (D-Md.), a colleague<BR>> at<BR>> the lobbying and law firm where Thompson worked,<BR>> said<BR>> that DeSarno had asked him to recommend someone for<BR>> the lobbying work and that he had suggested<BR>> Thompson.<BR>> He
said it was "absolutely bizarre" for Thompson to<BR>> deny that he lobbied against the abortion counseling<BR>> rule.<BR>> <BR>> "I talked to him while he was doing it, and I talked<BR>> to [DeSarno] about the fact that she was very<BR>> pleased<BR>> with the work that he was doing for her<BR>> organization,"<BR>> said Barnes. "I have strong, total recollection of<BR>> that. This is not something I dreamed up or she<BR>> dreamed up. This is fact."<BR>> <BR>> DeSarno said that Thompson, after being hired,<BR>> reported to her that he had held multiple<BR>> conversations about the abortion rule with Sununu,<BR>> who<BR>> was then the White House chief of staff and the<BR>> president's point man on the rule.<BR>> <BR>> Thompson kept her updated on his progress in<BR>> telephone<BR>> conversations and over meals at Washington<BR>> restaurants, including dinner at Galileo and lunch<BR>> at<BR>> the
Monocle, she said. At one of the meals, she<BR>> recalled, Thompson told her that Sununu had just<BR>> given<BR>> him tickets for a VIP tour of the White House for a<BR>> Thompson son and his wife.<BR>> <BR>> "It would be an odd thing for me to construct that<BR>> thing out of whole cloth," DeSarno said. "It<BR>> happened,<BR>> and I think it's quite astonishing they're denying<BR>> it."<BR>> <BR>> Sununu said in a telephone interview: "I don't<BR>> recall<BR>> him ever lobbying me on that at all. I don't think<BR>> that ever happened. In fact, I know that never<BR>> happened." He added that he had "absolutely no idea"<BR>> whether Thompson had met with anybody else at the<BR>> White House, but said it would have been a waste of<BR>> time, given the president's opposition to abortion<BR>> rights.<BR>> <BR>> In response to Sununu's denial, DeSarno said<BR>> Thompson<BR>> "owes NFPRHA a bunch of money"
if he never talked to<BR>> Sununu as he said he had.<BR>> <BR>> At the time, Thompson was a lobbyist and lawyer "of<BR>> counsel" to the Washington firm of Arent Fox Kintner<BR>> Plotkin & Kahn.<BR>> <BR>> DeSarno said the family planning association paid<BR>> the<BR>> firm for Thompson's work. Marc L. Fleischaker,<BR>> chairman of Arent Fox, declined to comment.<BR>> <BR>> Corallo, the spokesman for Thompson, was asked<BR>> Friday<BR>> about the board minutes and the five people who said<BR>> they recalled Thompson accepting the lobbying<BR>> assignment. He responded in an e-mail, saying that<BR>> Thompson "may have been consulted by one of [his]<BR>> firm's partners who represented this group in 1991."<BR>> <BR>> Corallo said it was "not unusual for one lawyer on<BR>> one<BR>> side of an issue to be asked to give advice to<BR>> colleagues for clients who engage in conduct or<BR>> activities with
which they personally disagree."<BR>> <BR>> Any work that Thompson did to challenge the abortion<BR>> rule could complicate his appeals to conservatives<BR>> in<BR>> the contest for the Republican presidential<BR>> nomination. He reportedly plans to join the race<BR>> this<BR>> month.<BR>> <BR>> For weeks, Thompson has tried to pick up support<BR>> from<BR>> religious conservatives dissatisfied with the top<BR>> GOP<BR>> White House contenders, some of whom have backed<BR>> abortion rights. In a videotaped message to the<BR>> National Right to Life Convention in Kansas City<BR>> last<BR>> month, Thompson said the group's issues were "ever<BR>> more profound to me as the years go by."<BR>> <BR>> A senator from December 1994 to January 2003,<BR>> Thompson<BR>> voted along antiabortion lines, but his statements<BR>> have occasionally raised questions about his<BR>> attitude<BR>> toward the
cause.<BR>> <BR>> On Fox News last month, he was asked why he checked<BR>> a<BR>> box on a questionnaire in his 1994 Senate campaign<BR>> beside a statement saying that abortion "should be<BR>> legal in all circumstances for the first three<BR>> months."<BR>> <BR>> "I don't remember that box," Thompson replied. "You<BR>> know, it was a long time ago, and I don't know if I<BR>> filled it out or my staff, based on what they<BR>> thought<BR>> my position was, filled it out."<BR>> <BR>> The Tennessean newspaper reported that Thompson,<BR>> when<BR>> filling out a 1996 Christian Coalition survey,<BR>> marked<BR>> himself as "opposed" to a constitutional amendment<BR>> protecting "the sanctity of human life." <BR>> <BR>> The newspaper said he included a handwritten<BR>> notation<BR>> saying: "I do not believe abortion should be<BR>> criminalized. This battle will be won in the hearts<BR>> and souls of
the American people."<BR>> <BR>> In recent weeks, Thompson has described himself as<BR>> fundamentally "pro-life," saying the issue has<BR>> "meant<BR>> a little more to me" since seeing the sonogram of<BR>> his<BR>> now-3-year-old daughter.<BR>> <BR>> Best known for playing a district attorney on NBC's<BR>> "Law and Order," Thompson worked as a part-time<BR>> lobbyist over nearly three decades, both before and<BR>> after his Senate service. His clients included a<BR>> General Electric aircraft-engine maker, Westinghouse<BR>> Electric Corp. and the Equitas insurance company.<BR>> <BR>> DeSarno and others said the family planning group<BR>> hired Thompson shortly after the Supreme Court<BR>> upheld<BR>> the "gag rule" in 1991. <BR>> <BR>> That ruling led to a protracted tussle between Bush<BR>> and Congress. The rule was eliminated in 1993 by<BR>> President Clinton on his third day in office.<BR>>
<BR>> In addition to Barnes and DeSarno, three other<BR>> people<BR>> said they recalled Thompson lobbying against the<BR>> rule<BR>> on behalf of the family planning association.<BR>> <BR>> Susan Cohen, a member of the association's board of<BR>> directors in 1991, said in reference to DeSarno and<BR>> Thompson: "We were looking, of course, for a<BR>> Republican who might have some inroads to the White<BR>> House at that time, and so that's how she came upon<BR>> contacting him." <BR>> <BR>> Said Bill Hamilton, who then directed the Washington<BR>> office of the Planned Parenthood Federation of<BR>> America, a group that was DeSarno's main ally in<BR>> lobbying on the abortion counseling rule: "I<BR>> definitely recall her reaching out to [Thompson] and<BR>> engaging him in some way, and trying to squeeze the<BR>> White House through him." <BR>> <BR>> Sarah L. Szanton, who worked for DeSarno as
director<BR>> of government relations for the family planning<BR>> association, agreed that Thompson "consulted on our<BR>> behalf against the gag rule."<BR>> <BR>> "I remember that he did it," Szanton said. "I just<BR>> knew he was part of the good fight."<BR>> <BR>> The National Family Planning and Reproductive Health<BR>> Assn. is a Washington nonprofit organization that<BR>> represents family planning clinics and other groups.<BR>> It advocates "reproductive freedom" and broad access<BR>> to birth control.<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> <BR>><BR>--------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>> <BR>> michael.finnegan@latimes.com<BR>> <BR>> <BR>> ART KELLY, ATM-S<BR>> 13524 Brightfield Lane<BR>> Herndon, Virginia 20171-3360<BR>> (703) 904-3763 home<BR>> (703) 396-6956 work<BR>> arthurkelly@yahoo.com<BR>> art.kelly@cox.net<BR>> ArtK135@Netscape.net<BR>> <BR>>
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