Hi Stephen,<br><br>I believe all the paragraphs in the section need to be considered, not just the one paragraph:<br><h3 style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">DIVINE WORSHIP</h3> <div style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">19. It belongs only to an ecumenical council or to the Apostolic See to determine, transfer or suppress feast days common to all the Eastern Churches. On the other hand, to determine, transfer or suppress the feast days of any of the individual churches is within the competence not only of the Apostolic See but also of the patriarchal or archiepiscopal synod, due regard being had to the whole area and the other individual churches.[24]</div> <div style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">20. Until such time as all Christians are agreed on a fixed day for the celebration of Easter, with a view meantime to promoting unity among the Christians of the same area or nation, it is left to the patriarchs or supreme
authorities of a place to come to an agreement by the unanimous consent and combined counsel of those affected to celebrate the feast of Easter on the same Sunday.[25]</div> <div style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">21. Individual faithful dwelling outside the area or territory of their own rite may follow completely the established custom of the place where they live as regards the law of the sacred seasons. In families of mixed rite it is permissible to observe this law according to one and the same rite.[26]</div> <div style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">22. Eastern clerics and Religious should celebrate in accordance with the prescriptions and traditions of their own established custom the Divine Office, which from ancient times has been held in high honor in all Eastern Churches.[27] The faithful too should follow the example of their forebears and assist devoutly as occasion allows at the Divine Office.</div> <div
style="color: rgb(56, 83, 118); font-weight: bold;">23. It belongs to the patriarch with his synod, or to the supreme authority of each church with the council of the hierarchs, to regulate the use of languages in the sacred liturgical functions and, after reference to the Apostolic See, of approving translations of texts into the vernacular.[28] </div>Are you saying that paragraph 20 authorizes Eastern Rite churches can celebrate Easter whenever they want? If so, I don't read it the same way at all - especially taking into account #19 & 20.<br><br>Dianne<br><br><b><i>Stephen Korsman <skorsman@theotokos.co.za></i></b> wrote:<blockquote class="replbq" style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;"> <meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1"> <meta content="MSHTML 6.00.2900.3314" name="GENERATOR"> <style></style> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Hi</font></div> <div><font face="Arial"
size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Regarding Catholics keeping "Orthodox" Easter:</font></div> <div><font color="#663300"></font> </div> <div><font color="#663300">DECREE ON THE CATHOLIC CHURCHES <br>OF THE EASTERN RITE<br><b><i><font size="+1">ORIENTALIUM ECCLESIARUM</font></i></b><br>SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY HIS HOLINESS<br>POPE PAUL VI<br>ON NOVEMBER 21, 1964</font></div> <div><font color="#663300"></font> </div> <div>20. Until such time as all Christians are agreed on a fixed day for the celebration of Easter, with a view meantime to promoting unity among the Christians of the same area or nation, it is left to the patriarchs or supreme authorities of a place to come to an agreement by the unanimous consent and combined counsel of those affected to celebrate the feast of Easter on the same Sunday.(25)</div> <div> </div> <div>(25) Cfr. Syn. Vaticana II Const. De Sacra Liturgia, 4 dec. 1963.</div> <div> </div>
<div><font face="Arial" size="2">I don't know what Const. De Sacra Liturgia is; Orientalium Ecclesiarum, however, is a Vatican II document.</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font color="#663300">CONSTITUTION <br>ON THE SACRED LITURGY <br><b><i><font size="+1">SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM</font></i></b> <br>SOLEMNLY PROMULGATED BY <br>HIS HOLINESS<br>POPE PAUL VI <br>ON DECEMBER 4, 1963</font></div> <div><font color="#663300"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">This matches the "Const. De Sacra Liturgia" name in Latin, but why footnote it as that and not "Sacrosanctum Concilium"?</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">The closest I can get to anything in it relevant to the date of Easter is a statement of non-objection to using a fixed Sunday every year, or similar:</font></div> <div><font size="3"> <ol> <li>The Sacred Council would not object if the
feast of Easter were assigned to a particular Sunday of the Gregorian Calendar, provided that those whom it may concern, especially the brethren who are not in communion with the Apostolic See, give their assent. </li> <li>The sacred Council likewise declares that it does not oppose efforts designed to introduce a perpetual calendar into civil society. </li></ol></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Referenes - both can be found linked from <a href="http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm">http://www.vatican.va/archive/hist_councils/ii_vatican_council/index.htm</a></font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2"></font> </div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">God bless,</font></div> <div><font face="Arial" size="2">Stephen</font></div> <blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(0, 0, 0); padding-right: 0px; padding-left: 5px; margin-left: 5px;
margin-right: 0px;"> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;">----- Original Message ----- </div> <div style="background: rgb(228, 228, 228) none repeat scroll 0%; -moz-background-clip: -moz-initial; -moz-background-origin: -moz-initial; -moz-background-inline-policy: -moz-initial; font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>From:</b> <a title="arthurkelly@yahoo.com" href="mailto:arthurkelly@yahoo.com">Art Kelly</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>To:</b> <a title="apologetics@gathman.org" href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics
Group</a> ; <a title="jmurf80@bellsouth.net" href="mailto:jmurf80@bellsouth.net">Jim Murphy</a> ; <a title="arochaallen@juno.com" href="mailto:arochaallen@juno.com">Michele Allen</a> </div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 21, 2008 11:45 PM</div> <div style="font-family: arial; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 10pt; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none; font-stretch: normal;"><b>Subject:</b> [Apologetics] Greek and Amenian Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday</div> <div><br></div> <table border="0" cellpadding="0" cellspacing="0"> <tbody> <tr> <td> <div><font color="#4040ff"><font color="#000000"><strong>Greek and Amenian Christians clash at Jesus' tomb on Orthodox Palm Sunday</strong>
</font></font></div> <div><font color="#4040ff"><font color="#000000"><!-- END HEADLINE --></font></font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div id="ynmain"><!-- BEGIN STORY BODY --> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div id="storybody"> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div class="storyhdr"> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><span><font color="#4040ff">By SARAH EL DEEB, Associated Press Writer</font></span><font color="#4040ff">Sun Apr 20, 3:49 PM ET</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div class="spacer"></div></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">Dozens of Greek and Armenian priests and worshippers exchanged blows at one of Christianity's holiest shrines on Orthodox Palm Sunday, and used palm fronds to pummel police who tried to break up the brawl.</font></div> <font
color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">The fight came amid growing rivalry over religious rights at the Church of the Holy Sepulcher, built over the site in Jerusalem where tradition says Jesus was buried and resurrected.</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">It erupted when Armenian clergy kicked out a Greek priest from their midst, pushed him to the ground and kicked him, according to witnesses.</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">When police intervened, some worshippers hit them with the palm fronds they were holding for the religious holiday. The Eastern Orthodox
churches, including the Armenians and Greek Orthodox, follow a different calendar from Western Christians and celebrate Easter next Sunday.</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">Two Armenian worshippers who attacked the Greek Orthodox clergy were briefly detained by Israeli police. Scores of Armenian supporters then protested outside the police station during the questioning of the two, beating drums and chanting.</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"> </font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff">The full article is at</font></div> <font color="#4040ff"> </font><div><font color="#4040ff"><a
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