<span></span>Hi<br><br>Mormons pour water on the forehead and baptise using the following words:<br><br><i>"Being
commissioned by Jesus Christ, I baptize you</i> <i>in the name of the
Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit"<br><br></i>Yet their baptism is invalid.<br><br><a href="http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html">http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20010605_battesimo_mormoni_en.html</a><br>
<br><a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/mormbap1.htm">http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/mormbap1.htm</a> and <a href="http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/mormbap2.htm">http://www.ewtn.com/library/theology/mormbap2.htm</a> help explain why.<br>
<br>Summary: their "trinity" is not the same.<br><br>God bless,<br>Stephen<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">2008/5/5 Art Kelly <<a href="mailto:arthurkelly@yahoo.com">arthurkelly@yahoo.com</a>>:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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If Mormons pour water on the forehead and baptize in the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit, then their baptisms of the living are valid.<br><br>Baptisms of the dead are nonsense and Catholics should not provide any records to Mormons--or anyone else.<br>
<br>What makes Mormons a NON-Christian denomination is their belief in an enormous multitude of gods, that anyone can become a god, and their blasphemous belief that Jesus and Lucifer are brothers.<br><br><div><b><font color="#0000ff" size="3">Art</font></b></div>
<br>--- On <b>Sun, 5/4/08, Stephen Korsman <i><<a href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" target="_blank">skorsman@theotokos.co.za</a>></i></b> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left: 2px solid rgb(16, 16, 255); margin-left: 5px; padding-left: 5px;">
From: Stephen Korsman <<a href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" target="_blank">skorsman@theotokos.co.za</a>><br>Subject: [Apologetics] Hide Baptism Records from Mormons, says Vatican<br>To:
<a href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org" target="_blank">apologetics@gathman.org</a><br>Date: Sunday, May 4, 2008, 4:44 PM<div><div></div><div class="Wj3C7c"><br><br><div><div class="gmail_quote"><div><div><div class="gmail_quote">
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<div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em;">via <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.americanpapist.com/blog.html" target="_blank">AmericanPapist: Not Your Average Catholic!</a> by Thomas Peters on 5/4/08</div><br>
Because aiding kooky practices doesn't help ecumenism:<br><blockquote><p>In an effort to block posthumous rebaptisms by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Catholic dioceses throughout the world have been directed by the Vatican not to give information in parish registers to the Mormons' Genealogical Society of Utah.</p>
<p>An April 5 letter from the Vatican Congregation for Clergy, obtained by <a rel="nofollow" href="http://www.catholicnews.com/index.html" target="_blank">Catholic News Service</a> in late April, asks episcopal conferences to direct all bishops to keep the Latter-day Saints from microfilming and digitizing information contained in those registers.</p>
<p>The order came in light of "grave reservations" expressed in a Jan. 29 letter from the Vatican Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, the clergy congregation's letter said.</p><p>Father James Massa, executive director of the U.S. bishops' Secretariat of Ecumenical and Interreligious Affairs, said the step was taken to prevent the Latter-day Saints from using records -- such as baptismal documentation -- to posthumously baptize by proxy the ancestors of church members.</p>
<p>Posthumous baptisms by proxy have been a common practice for the Latter-day Saints -- commonly known as Mormons -- for more than a century, allowing the church's faithful to have their ancestors baptized into their faith so they may be united in the afterlife, said Mike Otterson, a spokesman in the church's Salt Lake City headquarters</p>
</blockquote>Of note:<br><blockquote>The letter is dated 10 days before Pope Benedict XVI's April 15-20 U.S. visit, during which he presided over an ecumenical prayer service attended by two Mormon leaders. It marked the first time Mormons had participated in a papal prayer service.<br>
</blockquote>I don't think one need take their inclusion as any sort of endorsement. This was an ecumenical dialogue, not an inter-christian summit. Mormon baptism is <i>invalid, </i>which renders them non-christian.</div>
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