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<BLOCKQUOTE style="PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid">From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Intelligent Design<BR>To: martyr225@cox.net, "Stuart D. Gathman" <stuart@bmsi.com>, skorsman@theotokos.co.za<BR>Cc: apologetics@gathman.org<BR>Date: Thursday, May 15, 2008, 7:09 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial, helvetica, sans-serif">If you haven't seen it yet I would recommend the movie "Expelled." Even though it's actually a documentary, therefore it's not "exciting," it highlights how pervasive and sinister the efforts are to oppose the Intelligent Design proponents.<BR><BR>Dianne<BR>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: times new roman, new york, times, serif">----- Original Message ----<BR>From: Marty Rothwell <martyr225@cox.net><BR>To: Stuart D. Gathman <stuart@bmsi.com>; skorsman@theotokos.co.za<BR>Cc: apologetics@gathman.org<BR>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:31:27 PM<BR>Subject: RE: [Apologetics] Intelligent Design<BR><BR>The problem is that when you look at some form of life you have to ask, "Was<BR>this designed by some outside intelligence or is this design here simply<BR>because it can survive?" There is no experiment I know of which can give<BR>you that answer. <BR><BR>-----Original Message-----<BR>From: <A href="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>apologetics-admin@gathman.org</A> [mailto:<A href="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>apologetics-admin@gathman.org</A>]<BR>On Behalf Of Stuart D. Gathman<BR>Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:52
PM<BR>To: <A href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" target=_blank rel=nofollow>skorsman@theotokos.co.za</A><BR>Cc: <A href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org" target=_blank rel=nofollow>apologetics@gathman.org</A><BR>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Intelligent Design<BR><BR>On Tue, 13 May 2008 <A href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" target=_blank rel=nofollow>skorsman@theotokos.co.za</A> wrote:<BR><BR>> Al-Ghazali said that one does more harm to a doctrine by defending it with<BR>a<BR>> method not suited to it, than by attacking it with a method suited to it.<BR>A<BR>> perfect example of such a harmful defense is the ID movement, or any other<BR>> movement that might try to find God or intelligence through science.<BR><BR>While finding supernatural intelligence is problematic, detecting<BR>intelligence<BR>in general is perfectly suited to science - which can't know whether the<BR>source<BR>is supernatural. Many secular pursuits depend on
this, from archaeology<BR>to criminology to SETI. In fact, the leading secular solution to problems<BR>with<BR>the evidence for Darwinian evolution on planet Earth, espoused by Watkins,<BR>Crick, and even Dawkins, is Intelligent Design by aliens. Their only real<BR>objection to the ID movement is that they (with some justification) regard<BR>it<BR>as "thinly disguised creationism". The only substantive difference between<BR>the<BR>ID theories of Dawkins and the ID movement is that Dawkins rules out<BR>supernatural intelligence a priori, whereas the ID movement does not. It is<BR>a<BR>battle of religions. Philosophical materialism on one side, and Christians,<BR>skeptics, and agnostics on the other.<BR><BR>-- <BR> Stuart D. Gathman <<A href="mailto:stuart@bmsi.com" target=_blank rel=nofollow>stuart@bmsi.com</A>><BR> Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703
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