<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:10pt">If you haven't seen it yet I would recommend the movie "Expelled." Even though it's actually a documentary, therefore it's not "exciting," it highlights how pervasive and sinister the efforts are to oppose the Intelligent Design proponents.<br><br>Dianne<br><div> </div><div><div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms"><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS">Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.</font></em></div></font></em></font></div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms">Ps 42:1</font></em></font></div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="1"></font></em> </div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS"
size="1"></font></em> </div></div></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 10pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Marty Rothwell <martyr225@cox.net><br>To: Stuart D. Gathman <stuart@bmsi.com>; skorsman@theotokos.co.za<br>Cc: apologetics@gathman.org<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 10:31:27 PM<br>Subject: RE: [Apologetics] Intelligent Design<br><br>The problem is that when you look at some form of life you have to ask, "Was<br>this designed by some outside intelligence or is this design here simply<br>because it can survive?" There is no experiment I know of which can give<br>you that answer. <br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a ymailto="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org" href="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org">apologetics-admin@gathman.org</a> [mailto:<a
ymailto="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org" href="mailto:apologetics-admin@gathman.org">apologetics-admin@gathman.org</a>]<br>On Behalf Of Stuart D. Gathman<br>Sent: Tuesday, May 13, 2008 2:52 PM<br>To: <a ymailto="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za">skorsman@theotokos.co.za</a><br>Cc: <a ymailto="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org" href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">apologetics@gathman.org</a><br>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Intelligent Design<br><br>On Tue, 13 May 2008 <a ymailto="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za" href="mailto:skorsman@theotokos.co.za">skorsman@theotokos.co.za</a> wrote:<br><br>> Al-Ghazali said that one does more harm to a doctrine by defending it with<br>a<br>> method not suited to it, than by attacking it with a method suited to it.<br>A<br>> perfect example of such a harmful defense is the ID movement, or any other<br>> movement that might try to find God or intelligence through
science.<br><br>While finding supernatural intelligence is problematic, detecting<br>intelligence<br>in general is perfectly suited to science - which can't know whether the<br>source<br>is supernatural. Many secular pursuits depend on this, from archaeology<br>to criminology to SETI. In fact, the leading secular solution to problems<br>with<br>the evidence for Darwinian evolution on planet Earth, espoused by Watkins,<br>Crick, and even Dawkins, is Intelligent Design by aliens. Their only real<br>objection to the ID movement is that they (with some justification) regard<br>it<br>as "thinly disguised creationism". The only substantive difference between<br>the<br>ID theories of Dawkins and the ID movement is that Dawkins rules out<br>supernatural intelligence a priori, whereas the ID movement does not. It is<br>a<br>battle of religions. Philosophical materialism on one side, and Christians,<br>skeptics, and agnostics
on the other.<br><br>-- <br> Stuart D. Gathman <<a ymailto="mailto:stuart@bmsi.com" href="mailto:stuart@bmsi.com">stuart@bmsi.com</a>><br> Business Management Systems Inc. Phone: 703 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154<br>"Confutatis maledictis, flammis acribus addictis" - background song for<br>a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial.<br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Apologetics mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Apologetics@gathman.org" href="mailto:Apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics@gathman.org</a><br><a href="http://bmsi.com/mailman/listinfo/apologetics" target="_blank">http://bmsi.com/mailman/listinfo/apologetics</a><br><br>_______________________________________________<br>Apologetics mailing list<br><a ymailto="mailto:Apologetics@gathman.org" href="mailto:Apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics@gathman.org</a><br><a
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