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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The Traditional Mass website appears to be run by
ultra-"conservatives", yes - more "conservative" than the SSPX. In fact,
they appear to be an SSPX splinter group, and sede vacantists at
that.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The website links to their parish - <A
href="http://www.sgg.org/">http://www.sgg.org/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The parish website links to a page about their
clergy - <A
href="http://www.sgg.org/general-info/clergy/">http://www.sgg.org/general-info/clergy/</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their bishop was ordained a priest by Lefebvre, and
later left due to Lefebvre's liturgical reforms.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>The page states:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800080 size=2>As a seminarian at Ecône in autumn
1973, he had already come to the conclusion that the only logical explanation
for evil of the the New Mass and the errors of Vatican II was that Paul VI, due
to personal heresy, had lost the pontificate. Ever since, he has steadfastly
held that position regarding Paul VI and his successors, and never once
acknowledged them as popes in the Canon of his Mass.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their articles at <A
href="http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/index.php">http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/index.php</A> include
several on the heresies of Pope (they don't call him that) Benedict XVI, and a
host of other oddities, including their sede vacantist position.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Their seminary is the Most Holy Trinity Seminary in
Warren, Michigan, is sede vacantist:</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT color=#800080>The Seminary professes that
Vatican II and the doctrinal, disciplinary and liturgical reforms which have
proceeded from it are substantial alterations of the Catholic Faith. It
professes that these heretical, evil, and blasphemous reforms can in no way
proceed from the Roman Catholic Church, since she is infallible in her
doctrines, her disciplines, and her liturgical worship. The Seminary therefore
professes that the members of the Novus Ordo hierarchy (including and especially
Benedict XVI), despite any and all appearances of authority, are not true
Catholic popes nor true Catholic bishops, and do not possess the authority to
rule, for they are the authors of the doctrinal, disciplinary and liturgical
abominations which have invaded our holy places. The Seminary professes that
they are false shepherds, and ought to be denounced as such.</FONT> -- <A
href="http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/aboutus.htm">http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/aboutus.htm</A></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>God bless,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcdianne@yahoo.com href="mailto:rcdianne@yahoo.com">Dianne Dawson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apologetics@gathman.org
href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics Group</A> ; <A
title=jmurf80@bellsouth.net href="mailto:jmurf80@bellsouth.net">Jim Murphy</A>
; <A title=arochaallen@juno.com href="mailto:arochaallen@juno.com">Michele
Allen</A> ; <A title=lkelly@nvrinc.com href="mailto:lkelly@nvrinc.com">Lynn
Kelly</A> ; <A title=nancy.penta@loudoun.gov
href="mailto:nancy.penta@loudoun.gov">Nancy Penta</A> ; <A
title=buet4u@verizon.net href="mailto:buet4u@verizon.net">Carol Beutner</A> ;
<A title=maryshanno@gmail.com href="mailto:maryshanno@gmail.com">Mary
Sullivan</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 23, 2008 3:11 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are
Here Again?</DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT-SIZE: 12pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Even
though the folks at <SPAN style="FONT-STYLE: italic">Traditional Mass</SPAN>
tend to lean more toward the ultra-conservative, there is an interesting
comparison of the Pius V Mass and the John XXIII Mass at: <A
href="http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=18&catname=6">http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=18&catname=6</A><BR><BR>Also,
there is an interesting forum discussion, "<FONT size=3>How does the EF (1962)
differ from the Mass of the 1950's?"</FONT> at: <A
href="http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=431">http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=431</A><BR><BR>Dianne<BR>
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<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000bf>Like a deer that longs
for running waters so my soul longs for you, O
God.</FONT></EM></DIV></FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000bf><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms">Ps
42:1</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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Original Message ----<BR>From: Art Kelly <<A
href="mailto:arthurkelly@yahoo.com">arthurkelly@yahoo.com</A>><BR>To:
Apologetics Group <<A
href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">apologetics@gathman.org</A>>; Jim
Murphy <<A
href="mailto:jmurf80@bellsouth.net">jmurf80@bellsouth.net</A>>; Michele
Allen <<A href="mailto:arochaallen@juno.com">arochaallen@juno.com</A>>;
Lynn Kelly <<A href="mailto:lkelly@nvrinc.com">lkelly@nvrinc.com</A>>;
Nancy Penta <<A
href="mailto:nancy.penta@loudoun.gov">nancy.penta@loudoun.gov</A>>; Carol
Beutner <buet4u@verizon.net>; Mary Sullivan
<maryshanno@gmail.com><BR>Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:52:44
PM<BR>Subject: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are Here Again?<BR><BR>
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<P><STRONG><FONT size=4>Latin Days Are Here Again?</FONT></STRONG></P>
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<P>In <EM>Newsweek</EM>, George Weigel writes in part:<BR></P>
<P>It was to accelerate that "reform of the reform" that Benedict XVI
issued a decree last summer permitting the widespread use of the 1962
Roman rite, known technically as the Missal of <A class=related
title="Pope John XXIII"
href="http://www.newsweek.com/related.aspx?subject=Pope+John+XXIII"
target=_blank rel=nofollow>John XXIII</A>. Amidst the recent, fevered
speculations that Latin days are here again, it's important to note what
the Missal of John XXIII is <EM>not</EM>. It is not the "Tridentine
Rite," because it includes modifications of the missal mandated by the
Council of Trent in the 16th century; it is not the "mass of Pius V,"
which some Catholic megatraditionalists argue is the only valid form of
Catholic worship. It is, in fact, the mass as celebrated every day at
every session of the Second Vatican Council.</P>
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<P>The full article is at</P>
<P><A href="http://www.newsweek.com/id/142217" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>http://www.newsweek.com/id/142217</A></P>
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<P><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff
size=3>Art</FONT></STRONG></P></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR></DIV></DIV></DIV><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>