<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Regardless of whether or not Jesus spoke Aramaic, <span style="text-decoration: underline;">the official language of the Church is Latin</span>. The Vatican II document <font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="3">SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM</font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;" size="3"> is very specific that we are supposed to know our parts of the Mass in Latin.</font><br><br><font style="color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-weight: bold;" size="2">CONSTITUTION ON THE SACRED LITURGY <br><i>SACROSANCTUM CONCILIUM</i> <br><br style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"></font><font style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-weight: bold;" face="Times New Roman, Times, Arial" size="2">36. 1. Particular law remaining in force, the
use of the Latin language is to be preserved in the Latin rites.<br><br></font><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-weight: bold;"><font size="2">(From article 54)<br></font></p><p style="color: rgb(0, 0, 191); font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-weight: bold;"><font size="2">Nevertheless steps should be taken so that the faithful may also be able to say or to sing together in Latin those parts of the Ordinary of the Mass which pertain to them.</font></p><br>Even though the Constitution allows for the use of the vernacular it is adamant that its use be limited. This, as well as the other Vatican II documents, have been either ignored or perverted in the intervening years. The Holy Father is simply leading the Church into compliance with the Vatican II documents.<br><p style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br></p><p style="font-family:
arial,helvetica,sans-serif;"><br></p>Even though Wikipedia is not necessarily a reliable source of accurate information, there is an interesting article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latin<br><br>Dianne<br><div> </div><div><div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms"><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS">Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.</font></em></div></font></em></font></div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms">Ps 42:1</font></em></font></div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="1"></font></em> </div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="1"></font></em> </div></div></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Stephen Korsman
<skorsman@theotokos.co.za><br>To: apologetics@gathman.org<br>Sent: Friday, July 4, 2008 8:54:41 AM<br>Subject: [Apologetics] Latin to be heard at all Masses?<br><br>Hi<br><br>My comment: This is maybe going a bit far. Using Aramaic or Greek, as some do, is fine - those were respectively the languages spoken by Christ and written in the New Testament. Latin is sacred because it was once the vernacular and got stuck there. If English has died out in 5000 years time to the extent that Latin has today, would the Pope insist that the consecration be done in English? Would it become a small-t-tradition?<br><br>For the other reason - appeasing the multis and silencing the liberals, it's a good idea.<br><br>God bless,<br>Stephen<br> <br><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="margin: 0px 10px; overflow: auto; font-family: sans-serif; width: 100%;"><h2 style="margin: 0.25em 0pt 0pt;"><div><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank"
href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson/blog/2008/07/04/latin_to_be_heard_at_all_masses">Latin to be heard at all Masses?</a></div></h2><div style="margin-bottom: 0.5em;">via <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/damian_thompson">blogs.telegraph.co.uk Blog Listings</a> on 7/4/08</div><br><p>Here is a gripping rumour (hat tip: <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://wdtprs.com/blog/2008/07/vernacular-masses-but-with-latin-consecration/">Father Z</a>). Pope Benedict may require priests to say the words of consecration in Latin at all Masses, including those celebrated in the vernacular.<br><br>His intention would be to sidestep a long-running controversy over the consecration of the wine - Christ's blood, Catholics believe. In the current English translation, this includes the phrase "...which will be shed for you and for all men, so that sins may be forgiven". But the original Latin
(based on the Greek of Matthew and Mark) says <i>pro multis</i>, the plain reading of which is "for many". Wikipedia <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro_multis">has a good account </a>of the furious arguments that the translation of these words into many languages has provoked.<br><br>It boils down to this: did Christ die for all men, or for many? Rome's latest ruling is that "for all" is not a literal translation of <i>pro multis</i>, but rather an "explanation" of the Gospel account. Catholic teaching is that Christ died for all mankind without exception, though not everyone is saved as a result.<br><br>If the words of the consecration are always spoken in Latin in the Roman Rite, then although the problem does not go away it is at least removed from the Eucharistic prayer. As I say, it's just a rumour, but it strikes me as a neat solution. Liberals won't agree, needless to say, because it will mean hearing the
dreaded Latin language at even the dreariest Tabletista liturgy. <br><br>What a lovely thought.</p></div><br><br></div><br></div></div></div><br>
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