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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Since Anglican orders are invalid, and there are
bishops and priests who may become Catholic, at what point, and how, will the
following scenario occur:</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anglicans: We recognise the authority of Rome and
wish to become Catholic.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rome: Good. Cease all your invalid liturgies
until you're ordained properly.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anglicans: We've had fake Masses until now, so for
normality's sake we wish to continue with fake ones until we can do real
ones.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rome: That is a sacrilege, and may result in
idolatry since you believe in the Real Presence, which is not real in your
liturgies. Protestant heresies protect them from that risk, but your
beliefs make it a definite no-no.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anglicans: Please send us some real priests in the
mean time to manage the congregations coming with us. And please hurry
along our ordinations.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rome: We will roll out real priests to your
ecclesial communities from the local authentic churches over the next month or
so. Please inform your congregations that you are not real
clergy.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Anglicans: Okay.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rome: PS - you can still validly baptise, but
unless it's a case of necessity, kindly refer all baptisms to a real Catholic
parish.</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>That's probably the most tactless and offensive way
to do it. But, if Anglican orders are invalid, there is a problem to be
solved. How would it be done in real life? How does an Anglican
priest manage his congregation's liturgies between the time he decides to join
the Catholic Church and his ordination in the Catholic Church?</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>God bless,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rcdianne@yahoo.com href="mailto:rcdianne@yahoo.com">Dianne Dawson</A>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apologetics@gathman.org
href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics Group</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Thursday, July 31, 2008 2:37
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Apologetics] Vatican
Considering Union Request From Anglicans & Cardinal to Anglicans: Church
Teaching Is Scriptural</DIV>
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style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: arial,helvetica,sans-serif"><BR><FONT
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Vatican Considering Union Request From
Anglicans</B></FONT><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><BR>Cardinal
Says Congregation Giving Proposal "Serious Attention"<BR><BR>VATICAN CITY,
JULY 30, 2008 (<A href="http://www.zenit.org/" target=_blank
rel=nofollow>Zenit.org</A>).- The Holy See is following with "serious
attention" the request from the Traditional Anglican Communion for "full,
corporate, sacramental union" with Rome.<BR><BR>This was affirmed by the
prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, Cardinal William
Levada, in a July 5 letter to the primate of the Anglican group, Archbishop
John Hepworth.<BR><BR>The letter was written before the beginning of the
Lambeth Conference, the once-a-decade gathering of Anglican leaders that is
under way in England through Aug. 4. The Lambeth Conference is facing
unprecedented controversy, and some bishops boycotted it altogether.
<BR><BR>The conflict within the Communion has arisen over debate about the
possibility of ordaining homosexual bishops and blessing homosexual marriages.
A synod decision this summer to pave the way for the episcopal ordination of
women has further alienated some Anglican leaders, many of whom were in
disagreement with the Communion's decision to ordain women as
priests.<BR><BR>According to Cardinal Levada's letter, "over the course of the
past year, the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith has studied the
proposals which you presented on behalf of the House of Bishops of the
Traditional Anglican Communion during your visit to the offices of this
dicastery on Oct. 9, 2007."<BR><BR>"As the summer months approach, I wish to
assure you the serious attention which the congregation gives to the prospect
of corporate unity raised in that letter," the cardinal added.<BR><BR>The
Traditional Anglican Communion states that its aim is "to recall Anglicanism
to its heritage, to heal divisions caused by departures from the faith, and to
build a vibrant church for the future based on powerful local leadership." By
some counts, it has about 400,000 faithful. If the request for "corporate
union" is deemed possible, it would imply the entrance of entire parish
communities into communion with Rome.<BR><BR>Cardinal Levada acknowledged that
"the situation within the Anglican Communion in general has become markedly
more complex" since the Traditional Anglican Communion's request was
originally made.<BR><BR>He affirmed that "as soon as the congregation is in
position to respond more definitely concerning the proposals you have sent, we
will inform you."<BR><BR>The Anglican primate received the letter via the
apostolic nuncio in Australia last Friday. <BR><BR>He immediately made public
a note expressing his gratitude for the Vatican message.<BR><BR>"It is a
letter of warmth and encouragement," he said. "I have responded, expressing my
gratitude on behalf of 'my brother bishops,' reaffirming our determination to
achieve the unity for which Jesus prayed with such intensity at the Last
Supper, no matter what the personal cost this might mean in our
discipleship."<BR><BR>"This letter should encourage our entire Communion, and
those friends who have been assisting us," Archbishop Hepworth added. "It
should also spur us to renewed prayer for the Holy Father, for Cardinal Levada
and his staff at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, and for all
our clergy and people as we move to ever closer communion in Christ with the
Holy See." </FONT>
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<P><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><B>Cardinal to Anglicans: Church
Teaching Is Scriptural</B></FONT><FONT
face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif"><BR></FONT></P>
<P><FONT face="Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif">Laments "Step Backward" in
Dialogue<BR><BR>CANTERBURY, England, JULY 30, 2008 (<A
href="http://www.zenit.org/" target=_blank rel=nofollow>Zenit.org</A>).- The
episcopal ordination of women will mean a "step backward" for dialogue between
Catholics and Anglicans, warned Cardinal Walter Kasper at the Anglican
Communion's Lambeth Conference.<BR><BR>The president of the Pontifical Council
for Promoting Christian Unity addressed today the once-a-decade gathering of
Anglican leaders, under way in England through this
weekend.<BR><BR>L'Osservatore Romano published an Italian-language transcript
of his address, which began with an assurance of the spiritual closeness of
Benedict XVI.<BR><BR>"I know that many of you are worried, some deeply
worried, by the threat of fragmentation at the heart of the Anglican
Communion," the cardinal said. "We are profoundly in solidarity with
you.<BR><BR>"Our great desire is that the Anglican Communion be united, rooted
in this historical faith, which our dialogue and relationships, over the
course of four decades, have brought us to believe is widely
shared."<BR><BR>Cardinal Kasper directly addressed the two issues that are
causing conflict within the Anglican Communion, and which brought some leaders
to boycott the Lambeth Conference altogether: the ordination of homosexuals
and the blessing of same-sex marriages, and the ordination of women.<BR><BR>He
assured his listeners that the Catholic Church believes its position on both
issues is deeply rooted in sacred Scripture.<BR><BR>"In light of the tensions
of past years in regard [to questions on human sexuality], a clear declaration
from the Anglican Communion would offer us greater possibilities to provide a
common testimony on human sexuality and matrimony, a testimony painfully
necessary for the world of today," Cardinal Kasper suggested.<BR><BR>Regarding
the ordination of women to the priesthood and the episcopate, the Vatican
official affirmed: "I have to be clear concerning the new situation that has
been created in our ecumenical relations. If our dialogue has produced a
significant accord on the idea of the priesthood, the ordination of women to
the episcopate substantially and definitively blocks a possible recognition of
Anglican orders by the Catholic Church."<BR><BR>The cardinal recalled Church
teaching that the practice of ordaining only men comes directly from Christ,
and the Church is not in a position to change it.<BR><BR>He was clear that the
decision to go forward with the episcopal ordination of women would have dire
effects on ecumenical relations.<BR><BR>"We desire the continuation of
theological dialogue between the Anglican Communion and the Catholic Church,"
he affirmed, "but this last step undermines our objective and alters the level
that we are seeking in dialogue. Now it seems that full, visible communion, as
the objective of our dialogue, has taken a step backward, that our dialogue
will have less defined objectives and, therefore, its nature will be
changed.<BR><BR>"Though this dialogue can still produce good results, it will
not be supported by the dynamism that comes from the realistic possibility of
the union that Christ demands of us or of the common participation at the
table of the one Lord, which we desire so ardently."</FONT></P><BR><BR>
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<DIV><EM><FONT face="Comic Sans MS" color=#0000bf>Like a deer that longs
for running waters so my soul longs for you, O
God.</FONT></EM></DIV></FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000bf><EM><FONT face="comic sans ms">Ps
42:1</FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
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