<html><head><style type="text/css"><!-- DIV {margin:0px;} --></style></head><body><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:12pt">Marty,<br><br>I haven't heard anything myself but found the following interesting article. For me, the title says it all.<br><br>Dianne<br><br>http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1G1-20324595.html<br><h1><font size="5">
Bishop sacks liberal column, diocesan priests fight back. (James M.
Moynihan of Syracuse, NY orders dropping of column by a priest, Richard
McBrien from Catholic Sun)</font>
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<dl class="byline"><dt class="first"><font size="4">From:National Catholic Reporter</font></dt><dt><font size="4">Date:February 13, 1998</font></dt><dt><font size="4">Author:Lefevere, Patricia</font></dt><span class="cpyright"><span id="ctl00_ph_ArticleMain_dtCopyright" class="copyright"></span> <span id="ctl00_ph_ArticleMain_ddCCC" style="display: none;">COPYRIGHT
1998 National Catholic Reporter. This material is published under
license from the publisher through the Gale Group, Farmington Hills,
Michigan. All inquiries regarding rights should be directed to the
Gale Group.</span></span></dl>
<p><b>Moynihan</b>'s replacement of McBrien with a conservative writer
was protested by about 25% of the priests who wrote him a letter with
their views. McBrien learned about his suspension from readers, not
from the <b>Bishop</b>. Later, nuns were infuriated by the column from the new writer, George Weigel.
</p>
<p> Citing an "alarming morale problem among the clergy," discontented priests in Syracuse, N.Y., complained in writing to <b>Bishop</b> <b>James</b> <b>M.</b> <b>Moynihan</b>
about his leadership after he pulled a controversial columnist from the
diocesan newspaper and substituted a more conservative one. </p>
<b>Moynihan</b> told the newspaper's new editor to drop a self-syndicated column by Fr. Richard McBrien,<br><div> </div><div><div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms"><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS">Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.</font></em></div></font></em></font></div><div><font color="#0000bf"><em><font face="comic sans ms">Ps 42:1</font></em></font></div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="1"></font></em> </div><div><em><font color="#0000bf" face="Comic Sans MS" size="1"></font></em> </div></div></div><div><br></div><div style="font-family: arial,helvetica,sans-serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br><div style="font-family: times new roman,new york,times,serif; font-size: 12pt;">----- Original Message ----<br>From: Marty Rothwell <martyr225@cox.net><br>To: Art Kelly <akelly@americantarget.com>; Steve
Allen <editor@iguild.org>; Rhonda Knight <RKNIGHT@americantarget.com>; Mike Krempasky <mkrempasky@gmail.com>; Matt Waters <mwaters@americantarget.com>; Mark Fitzgibbons <mfitzgibbons@americantarget.com>; Linda Wilson <lwilson@americantarget.com>; Leslie Carbone <lesliecarbone@yahoo.com>; Kirk Raymond <kraymond@americantarget.com>; Jim Murphy <jmurf80@bellsouth.net>; Jim Lafferty <jameslafferty@usa.net>; Jeff Rendall <Rendall@msn.com>; Hugh McNichol <hmcnichol@americantarget.com>; George Getz <ggetz@americantarget.com>; Don Feder <dfeder@rcn.com>; David Franke <dfranke@americantarget.com>; Apologetics Group <apologetics@gathman.org><br>Sent: Tuesday, August 19, 2008 5:46:33 PM<br>Subject: [Apologetics] Syracuse Catholics?<br><br><title>National Right to Life</title>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;"> I have a cousin who lives in
Syracuse and we˘ve been
talking about Catholicism. His main complaint is that he hasn˘t seen any
serious Catholics in his life. Does anyone know of a good Catholic group up
in Syracuse
NY ? Or what is the flavor of Catholicism
there? Can you tell me anything about Bishop James M Moynihan?</span></font></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><font color="navy" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: navy;">Marty</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 18, 2008 4:57
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> Steve Allen; Rhonda Knight;
Mike Krempasky; Matt Waters; Mark Fitzgibbons; Linda Wilson; Leslie Carbone;
Kirk Raymond; Jim Murphy; Jim Lafferty; Jeff Rendall; Hugh McNichol; George
Getz; Don Feder; David Franke; Apologetics Group<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> [Apologetics] National
Right to Life: McCain's Perfect "10" at Saddleback Forum</span></font></p>
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<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Sent:</span></b> Monday, August 18, 2008 5:14
PM<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">To:</span></b> akelly@americantarget.com<br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;">Subject:</span></b> TN&V -- McCain's
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August 18, 2008</span></font></b></p>
<p><b><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="4"><span style="font-size: 13.5pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black; font-weight: bold;">McCain Scores Perfect "10" at Saddleback Forum; <br>
Obama Flounders</span></font></b><b><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black; font-weight: bold;"> -- Part One of
Three</span></font></b><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;"><br>
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<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Editor's note. Please read <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Aug08/nv081808Part2.html">Part Two</a>,
which examines the Democrats most recent platform ploy on abortion, and <a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Aug08/nv081808part3.html">Part
Three</a>, which details how Senator Obama continues to misrepresent his
record on the Illinois
Born-Alive Infants Protection Act. .Please send your thoughts to <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:daveandrusko@hotmail.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:daveandrusko@hotmail.com">daveandrusko@hotmail.com</a></span></i></span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">"I
want people to know me well."<br>
Pro-abortion Senator Barack Obama, speaking
Saturday at Rick Warren's "Saddleback Civil Forum on the
Presidency."</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Thanks to
Rick Warren (author of "The Purpose Driven Life"), many people
now not only know a great deal more about Senator Obama, soon to be
officially nominated as the Democrats' presidential nominee, but also about
pro-life Senator John McCain, who will officially become his party's
standard bearer in a couple of weeks. It was an extremely revealing two
hours. Kudos to <i><span style="font-style: italic;">CNN</span></i> for
carrying the discussion and to those other cable networks that broadcast it
as well.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Over the
years I've continued to remind myself not to gloat or to prematurely
over-generalize. The former is to be unkind and ill-mannered, the latter is
a recognition that politics can and often does change in a heartbeat. </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Even
honoring those caveats, it's still very difficult to draw any other
conclusion: Sen. Obama had a disastrous night in
Lake Forest , Calif. ,
while Sen. McCain was as successful as Obama was ineffective. In my judgment
this assessment applies across the board to virtually every issue
Warren inquired
about, but most certainly when it came to abortion. </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">But, if you
think about it, this was almost inevitable.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Former Bush
speechwriter Michael Gerson observed in a column that appeared in today's
<i><span style="font-style: italic;">Washington</span></i><i><span style="font-style: italic;"> Post</span></i> that "Obama is one of those
rare political figures who seems to grow smaller the closer we approach
him." I'm not sure it's all that rare, but it is certainly true in the
case of Sen. Obama. Having floated on "hope" for this entire
election season, the junior senator from
Illinois faces the unenviable prospect
of figuring out what to say once the bubble bursts.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">I
understand Obama's appeal. To borrow from a commercial, his "charisma
can be seen from outer space." But only in the insular world of the
"mainstream media" can a halting, sputtering speaking style
become hallmarks of "authenticity" and "nuance" and
"complexity."</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">All this
and more was on display Saturday night. But on the response to
Warren 's
question--"At what point does a baby get human rights in your
view?"--Obama doused his hemming and hawing with what I assume was
supposed to be taken as either irony, humility, or both.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">"Well,
I think that whether you are looking at it from a theological perspective
or a scientific perspective, answering that question with specificity, you
know, is above my pay grade." </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">His
numerous defenders have tried every which way to deflect criticism, but the
truth is absurdly simple. Obama's flippant answer was a real clunker. To
borrow a sports metaphor, on the issue of the utmost moral gravity, Obama
punted out of bounds. </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">By
contrast, McCain's answer to the same question--"At what point is a
baby entitled to human rights?"--was unabashed, direct, and
straightforward: "At the moment of conception." </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">For
emphasis, McCain immediately added, "I have a 25-year pro-life record
in the Congress, in the Senate. And as President of the
United State ,
I will be a pro-life president and this presidency will have pro-life
policies." To borrow again from football, that was a 100-yard
touchdown run.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">The
remainder of Obama's response is very much worth considering. It combined
three qualities.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">First,
out-and-out error. "Because the fact is that although we've had a
president who is opposed to abortions the last eight years, abortions have
not gone down." But, as all pro-lifers know, the number of abortions
dropped a stunning<b><span style="font-weight: bold;"> 8%</span></b> between
2000 and 2005.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Second,
false profundity/modesty. "One thing that I'm absolutely convinced of
is that there is a moral and ethical element to this issue," Obama
told Warren .
"And so I think that anybody who tries to deny the moral difficulties
and gravity of the abortion issue is not paying attention."</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Okay,
abortion is a difficult and grave issue, but therefore what? Therefore
Obama follows the pro-abortion line down to every jot and tittle, including
support for partial-birth abortions and a willingness to neglect infants
who survive abortions. </span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Third,
trying to water down the impact of his commitment to abortion on
demand--"I am pro-choice. I believe in <i><span style="font-style: italic;">Roe versus Wade</span></i>"--by telling the audience that he
had inserted into the Democratic platform language about "How do we
reduce the number of abortions?" In fact, when you examine the new
language, support for abortion on demand is more ensconced than ever. [See
part two for a full explanation.]</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">But I would
be missing a key component of John McCain's pro-life position on abortion
if I neglected to mention his understated but beautifully told story of how
he and his wife, Cindy, adopted a daughter from
Bangladesh . It was the
concreteness of McCain's responses that was such a stark contrast to
Obama's airy ambiguities.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">Last
thought: Obama did not challenge Warren
when he talked about there being "40 million abortions." (The
figure is actually closer to 50 million.) That's one of those hugely
important facts that rarely, if ever, gets mentioned in the public
discussion.</span></font></p>
<p><font id="role_document" color="black" face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; color: black;">A great
night not just for Sen. McCain, but more importantly for the cause of
truth. No wonder Sen. Obama is evading one-on-one settings with Sen.
McCain. If I had Obama's record, I would, too.</span></font></p>
<p><b><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS"; font-weight: bold;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Aug08/nv081808Part2.html">Part Two</a>
-- </span></font></b><b><font id="role_document0" color="black" face="Arial" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: Arial; color: black; font-weight: bold;">Democrats Strengthen Support for Abortion
While Pretending to "Compromise"</span></font></b><font face="Trebuchet MS" size="2"><span style="font-size: 10pt; font-family: "Trebuchet MS";"><br>
<b><span style="font-weight: bold;"><a rel="nofollow" target="_blank" href="http://www.nrlc.org/News_and_Views/Aug08/nv081808part3.html">Part
Three</a> --</span></b> <b><font color="black"><span style="color: black; font-weight: bold;">Obama Cover-up on Born-Alive Abortion Survivors Continues
to Unravel After Sen. Obama Says NRLC is "Lying"</span></font></b></span></font></p>
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