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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Hi</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Before I start out, I want to say that I am opposed
to the killing of abortionists. I believe the death sentence is okay under
certain circumstances, but can't imagine when it would be better than more
humane methods. However, seeing our country's prisons, and the gangs
there, it's a breeding ground for something worse than what goes in. And
the same applies to the USA, if Prison Break is anything to go by.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>What I need an answer to is this: when is killing
in the defence of another person's life immoral, and when it is not
immoral?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If someone walks up to you with a knife and is
about to stab you, and you whack them on the head with a brick and they die,
that's fine. A similar defence of someone else is fine too.
Unfortunate, but not immoral.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a sniper took out a soldier just before that
soldier could kill an innocent woman, is that okay?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If a sniper had taken out Hitler before he could do
the damage he did, would that have been okay?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>When can a 20 year old soldier morally kill another
20 year old soldier, assuming we have a valid scenario of a just war? Does
the "military" status of the killed soldier who was forcibly conscripted by his
government make it okay to kill him? Does he have less of a right to life
than a civilian?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Two soldiers on opposite sides in a just war shoot
at the same time and both die. Which one goes to hell? Or were they
just "following orders"?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>If someone is arming a nuclear missile, is it okay
to shoot him dead before he can press the button? Is it okay to bomb his
building? Is it okay to leak nerve gas into his building? Is it okay
to activate a lethal device around his neck that was designed to enable his
death should he do something wrong?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Bye,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Stephen</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
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style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=arthurkelly@yahoo.com href="mailto:arthurkelly@yahoo.com">Art
Kelly</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=apologetics@gathman.org
href="mailto:apologetics@gathman.org">Apologetics Group</A> ; <A
title=arochaallen@juno.com href="mailto:arochaallen@juno.com">Michele
Allen</A> ; <A title=rnclife@swbell.net
href="mailto:rnclife@swbell.net">Colleen Parro</A> ; <A
title=mail@priestsforlife.org href="mailto:mail@priestsforlife.org">Father
Pavone</A> ; <A title=darbyfitzpatrick@att.net
href="mailto:darbyfitzpatrick@att.net">Darby Fitzpatrick</A> ; <A
title=jmurf80@bellsouth.net href="mailto:jmurf80@bellsouth.net">Jim Murphy</A>
; <A title=wcollins@netins.net href="mailto:wcollins@netins.net">Ward
Collins</A> ; <A title=info@lifeissues.org
href="mailto:info@lifeissues.org">info@lifeissues.org</A> ; <A
title=daveandrusko@gmail.com
href="mailto:daveandrusko@gmail.com">daveandrusko@gmail.com</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, June 01, 2009 1:09 AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> [Apologetics] Thoughts on the
killing of Dr. George Tiller</DIV>
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<DIV>"All they that take the sword shall perish with the sword."
(Gospel of St. Matthew 26:52, KJV)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Tiller was one of the very few doctors who practiced late-term
abortions. As horrible as Tiller's actions were, it is
unthinkable for a pro-life person to engage in murder. How could
someone be so self-contradictory? (As this is written, a suspect
is in custody, but his identity has not been released.)</DIV>
<DIV><BR>As shocking as this killing was, it was even more so that it
occurred at a church, where Tiller was serving as an usher. </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>What was the church, I wondered. What kind of church would
want someone like Tiller as a member, much less allow him to
serve as an usher?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The church is the Reformation Lutheran Church in Wichita,
Kansas, which is part of the Evangelical Lutheran Church of America
(ELCA).</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I went to their website and found this statement: "Our
jobs do not define us."</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is likely that statement was written with Tiller in
mind. Certainly our jobs are NOT the ONLY thing that defines
us. But how we live our lives in EVERYTHING we
do--including our job--does, in fact, define us.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>As a member of the Reformation Lutheran Church, what was Tiller's
theology? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Did he believe that he was "saved" because he made a one-time altar
call that accepted Jesus as his Lord and personal savior? Or
did he believe that his charitable works for the poor would "earn"
his right to heaven, despite his continual killing of unborn
children? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Was he able to compartmentalize his religious beliefs from his
occupation? </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>And what about the Reformation Lutheran Church? Did they
"look the other way" and pretend that what Tiller did during the
week did not matter on Sunday morning? Or did this church embrace
abortions, including late-term abortions, as a positive good?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>It is likely the abortion supporters will try to blame all
pro-lifers for this killing, probably with the help of a
large portion of the news media. To counteract that, we
should all speak out against the killing of anyone. (I oppose the
death penalty under almost all circumstances.)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>But while strongly deploring this murder, I think we can publicly
ask the Reformation Lutheran Church and the ELCA what Tiller was doing
there serving as an usher. He had NOT repented of his
sins. Tiller was going full speed ahead in performing
unlimited abortions on demand up to the moment of birth.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>How can that be reconciled with ANY form of
Christianity?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff
size=3>Art</FONT></STRONG></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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