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color:#1F497D'>I think the point the lady in the video was making was to a
person trying to justify stealing a small thing vs. a large thing. A person
may tell themselves that stealing ‘a little’ or lying ‘a little’ is not a sin.
She was trying to say that in Jesus’ eyes stealing is stealing, how much you
stole is not the issue. She was not addressing whether it was a venial or
mortal sin, she was just saying that ANY stealing was a sin.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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apologetics-bounces@gathman.org [mailto:apologetics-bounces@gathman.org] <b>On
Behalf Of </b>Dianne Dawson<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, September 25, 2010 10:49 PM<br>
<b>To:</b> Art Kelly; Apologetics Group<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jimmy Murphy<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Art,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>While you
make some very valid points, I am most bothered by your last statement.
The Church rarely speaks any words of approval during the lifetime of
someone who is allegedly receiving private messages. She often
speaks vehemently if the person is proved a fake.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Yes, the
mind can do some fantastic things. However, no one can make me believe
that even the mind can instantaneously heal a profusely bleeding wound to the
point that the skin shows no mark or scab. I am not passing any judgment
on any "message" just the reality of her wounds. Remember,
people tried to say Padre Pio faked his stigmata. Look where his
"fake" stigmata got him.... canonized.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>Healthy
skepticism and discernment is always necessary but I'd rather leave the condemnation
up to the Church and until then I'll judge a tree by its fruit.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000BF'>Like
a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for
you, O God.</span></em><i><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000BF'>Ps
42:1</span></em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"'> Art Kelly <arthurkelly@yahoo.com><br>
<b>To:</b> Apologetics Group <apologetics@gathman.org><br>
<b>Cc:</b> Jimmy Murphy <jmurf80@gmail.com><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sat, September 25, 2010 10:00:51 PM<br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thanks, Dianne. This is very interesting.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>As noted in the telecast, the Church has NOT yet decided
if this is real or not. I don't think it is a hoax per se, but it is
possible that this lady's mind is producing these wounds. In medical
history, the mind has sometimes been able to do amazing things to the body.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>For instance, the placebo effect is real. If you
believe a medicine will cure you, even though a pill contains nothing of
substance, in many cases, it will work. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>One thing that Jesus allegedly said in the apparation
may be inconsistent with Catholicism, i.e. there are no moral or venial
sins--all sins are the same. That contradicts St. John's 1st Epistle
5:16-17:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>"If you see your brother or sister committing
what is not a mortal sin, you will ask, and God<sup> </sup>will give
life to such a one—to those whose sin is not mortal. There is sin that is mortal;
I do not say that you should pray about that. All wrongdoing is sin, but
there is sin that is not mortal." (NRSV)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>Thus, anything stated in an alleged apparation that
is inconsistent with Scripture cannot be authentic. But perhaps this
lady misquoted or misunderstood Jesus. If the apparation is real, maybe
he meant that venial sins should be avoided too. But he <u>cannot</u>
have actually said that venial sins and mortal sins are the same.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I think this lady is sincere, but she is not unique.
I'd be willing to bet that, on any given day, there are hundreds (maybe
thousands) of people in the world who think God has sent direct messages to
them, sometimes telling them to do something, even illegal things.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I'd like to know more about this woman's background.
What medical problems, including mental problems, has she had in the
past, if any?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal>I have a feeling the Church will <strong>not</strong>
approve this matter.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><strong><span style='color:blue'>Art</span></strong><o:p></o:p></p>
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--- On <b>Fri, 9/24/10, Dianne Dawson <i><rcdianne@yahoo.com></i></b>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne@yahoo.com><br>
Subject: [Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video<br>
To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics@gathman.org><br>
Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:15 PM<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>This
is the most incredible, riveting video I can remember seeing. Each one
of the three segments is approx. 12 min long but well worth it. Whether
or not you believe, you have to admit that it is captivating.</span><span
style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:red'>http://youshallbelieve.com/?page_id=70<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:black'>Dianne<br>
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<p class=MsoNormal><em><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";color:#0000BF'>Like
a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for
you, O God.</span></em><i><span style='font-family:"Comic Sans MS";
color:#0000BF'><o:p></o:p></span></i></p>
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42:1</span></em><span style='font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";color:red'><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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