<table cellspacing="0" cellpadding="0" border="0" ><tr><td valign="top" style="font: inherit;"><DIV>Of course, everyone knows it is now LEGAL to eat meat on the Annunciation, on St. Patrick's Day and St. Joseph's Day, and to forget about whatever you gave up on all Sundays of Lent.</DIV>
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<DIV>It just defeats the entire purpose of Lent, which is penance and sacrifice.</DIV>
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<DIV>No one disputed you can do it LEGALLY. My entire point is that is not the right thing to do.</DIV>
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<DIV>Your point was that my views were contrary to the apostles and the fathers of the Church. I've conclusively proven that is not true.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Church as now adopted a Lent Lite ("More filling AND tastes great").</DIV>
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<DIV>This NON-fast, many EXCEPTIONS form of Lent is NOT what was practiced for at least 1,700 years in Catholic history, give or take a century or two.<BR></DIV>
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<DIV>But who knows? In another millennium or two, the Church might go back to a meaningful Lent. </DIV>
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<DIV>In the meantime, the current horrible translations of the Roman <SPAN>Missal </SPAN>are being replaced by a new version.</DIV>
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<DIV>So, there are both good and bad developments in the Church.</DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Art</FONT></STRONG></DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 3/28/11, Dianne Dawson <I><rcdianne@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Yes, we can eat meat this Friday.<BR>To: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly@yahoo.com>, "Apologetics Group" <apologetics@gathman.org><BR>Cc: "Amy Earline Kelly" <AKelly421@aol.com>, "Father Peffley" <fpeffley@juno.com>, "Jimmy Murphy" <jmurf80@gmail.com>, "Father Phillips" <frphillips@atonementonline.com>, "Alice Sasscer" <aksasscer@aol.com>, "Dave Armstrong" <apologistdave@gmail.com><BR>Date: Monday, March 28, 2011, 6:06 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV><SPAN>Is Canon Law an acceptable reference? Check out # 1251:</SPAN></DIV><SPAN>
<DIV class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A name=SL_4.3.0.2.2.0.1251 rel=nofollow></A>Can. <A name=3A rel=nofollow><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0"><FONT color=#000000>1251</FONT></SPAN></A> <A href="http://us.mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/1/72.HTM" name=3B rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0"><FONT color=#0066cc>Abstinence</FONT></SPAN></A><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0"> from </SPAN><A name=3D rel=nofollow><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0"><FONT color=#000000>meat</FONT></SPAN></A><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0">, or from some other </SPAN><A href="http://us.mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/1/ET.HTM" name=3I rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN class="yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit yiv595123748goog_qs-tidbit-0"><FONT color=#0066cc>food</FONT></SPAN></A><SPAN
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href="http://us.mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/3Z.HTM" name=4A rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT color=#0066cc>observed</FONT></A> on <A name=4C rel=nofollow><FONT color=#000000>Ash</FONT></A> <A name=4D rel=nofollow><FONT color=#000000>Wednesday</FONT></A> and <A href="http://us.mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/4B.HTM" name=4F rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT color=#0066cc>Good</FONT></A> <A href="http://us.mg.mail.yahoo.com/neo/1/W4.HTM" name=4G rel=nofollow target=_blank><FONT color=#0066cc>Friday</FONT></A>. </DIV>
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<DIV>Did you actually READ the article on Lent in the 1913 <I>Catholic Encyclopedia</I> to which you linked?</DIV>
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<DIV>Your statements are way, way, way out of sync with what that article actually says.</DIV>
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<DIV>Furthermore, your claim that <U>my</U> "statements are NOT in keeping with the mind of the Church - even as far back as the time of the Apostles" is SPECIFICALLY refuted by the article.</DIV>
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<DIV>"The passage of primary importance is one quoted by <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05617b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Eusebius</A> (<A href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/250105.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank><I>Church History</I> V.24</A>) from a letter of <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/08130b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>St. Irenaeus</A> to <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15408a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Pope Victor</A> in connection with the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05228a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Easter controversy</A>...He also urges that this variety of usage is of ancient date, which implies that there could have been NO APOSTOLIC TRADITION on the subject...And there is the same silence observable in all the pre-Nicene <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06001a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Fathers</A>, though many had occasion to mention such an <A
href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01626c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Apostolic</A> institution if it had existed."</DIV>
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<DIV>The article deals almost entirely with strict FASTING during Lent. In fact, the word "fast" or "fasting" occurs 47 times in the article. Here are some more excerpts from the article:</DIV>
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<DIV>"For example, the historian <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14118b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Socrates</A> (<A href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26015.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank><I>Church History</I> V.22</A>) tells of the practice of the fifth century: 'Some <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01067a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>abstain</A> from every sort of creature that has <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09238c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>life</A>, while others of all the living creatures eat of fish only. Others eat birds as well as fish, because, according to the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07310a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Mosaic account of the Creation</A>, they too sprang from the water; others <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01067a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>abstain</A> from fruit covered by a hard shell and from eggs. Some eat dry bread only, others not even
that; others again when they have <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05789c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>fasted</A> to the ninth hour (three o'clock) partake of various kinds of food'. Amid this diversity some inclined to the extreme limits of rigor. <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/13393b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Epiphanius</A>, <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/11425a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Palladius</A>, and the author of the Life of St. Melania the Younger seem to contemplate a state of things in which ordinary <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03712a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Christians</A> were expected to pass twenty-four hours or more without food of any kind, especially during <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07435a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Holy Week</A>, while the more austere actually subsisted during part or the whole of Lent upon one or two meals a week (see Rampolla, Vita
di. S. Melania Giuniore, appendix xxv, p. 478). But the ordinary rule on <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05789c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>fasting</A> days was to take but one meal a day and that only in the evening, while meat and, in the early centuries, wine were entirely forbidden. During <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07435a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Holy Week</A>, or at least on <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06643a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Good Friday</A> it was common to enjoin the <I>xerophagiæ</I>, i.e., a diet of dry food, bread, salt, and vegetables. </DIV>
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<DIV>"There does not seem at the beginning to have been any prohibition of <I>lacticinia</I>, as the passage just quoted from <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14118b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Socrates</A> would show. Moreover, at a somewhat later date, <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02384a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Bede</A> tells us of <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03475a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Bishop Cedda</A>, that during Lent he took only one meal a day consisting of "a little bread, a hen's egg, and a little milk mixed with water" (<A href="http://www.newadvent.org/fathers/26013.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank><I>Church History</I> III.23</A>), while <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14579b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Theodulphus of Orleans</A> in the eighth century regarded <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01067a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>abstinence</A> from eggs, cheese, and
fish as a mark of exceptional <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15472a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>virtue</A>. None the less <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/06780a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>St. Gregory</A> writing to <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02081a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>St. Augustine of England</A> laid down the rule, 'We <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01067a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>abstain</A> from flesh meat, and from all things that come from flesh, as milk, cheese, and eggs'."</DIV>
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<DIV>(NOTE: Fr. John Hardon's <I>Modern Catholic Dictionary at http://www.catholicculture.org/culture/library/dictionary/index.cfm?id=34465</I></DIV>
<DIV>defines lacticinia: Milk (Latin, lac) and milk products, e.g., butter and cheese, and eggs or animal products formerly prohibited during Lent, along with flesh meat. In the early Middle Ages lacticinia were <B>forbidden EVEN ON SUNDAYS during the Lenten season</B>.) </DIV>
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<DIV>Continuing to quote from the <I>Catholic Encyclopedia</I> on Lent:</DIV>
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<DIV>"From what has been said it will be clear that in the early <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10285c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Middle Ages</A> Lent throughout the greater part of the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09022a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Western Church</A> consisted of forty weekdays, which were all <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05789c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>fast</A> days, <B>AND SIX SUNDAYS</B>. From the beginning to the end of that time all flesh meat, and also, for the most part, "lacticinia", <B>were forbidden</B> <B>EVEN ON SUNDAYS</B>, while on all the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05789c.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>fasting</A> days only one meal was taken, which single meal was not permitted before evening...</DIV>
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<DIV>"Other mitigations of an even more substantial character have been introduced into lenten observance in the course of the last few centuries. To begin with, the custom has been tolerated of taking a cup of liquid (e.g., tea or coffee, or even chocolate) with a fragment of bread or toast in the early morning. But, what more particularly regards Lent, successive <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07789a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>indults</A> have been granted by the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Holy See</A> allowing meat at the principal meal, first on <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/14335a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Sundays</A>, and then on two, three, four, and five weekdays, throughout nearly the whole of Lent. Quite recently, <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/10068a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Maundy Thursday</A>, upon which meat was hitherto always forbidden,
has come to share in the same indulgence. In the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/15156a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>United States</A>, the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Holy See</A> grants faculties whereby working men and their <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05782a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>families</A> may use flesh meat once a day throughout the year, EXCEPT FRIDAYS, <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/01775b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Ash Wednesday</A>, <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/07424a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Holy Saturday</A>, and the <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/05647a.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>vigil</A> of <A href="http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/03724b.htm" rel=nofollow target=_blank>Christmas</A>. The only compensation imposed for all these mitigations is the prohibition during Lent against partaking of both
fish and flesh at the same repast."</DIV>
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<DIV>As you can see, Lent in the 21st Century has very little resemblance to the VERY strict fasting in many previous centuries. So, your attempt to claim that my "statements are NOT in keeping with the mind of the Church" is <U>without merit</U>.</DIV>
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<DIV>As for "a sense of legalism," it is you who have adopted a legal attitude towards Lent. While it is currenty "legal" to eat meat on the Annunciation, it is contrary to the the whole purpose of Lent, which is sacrifice and penance.</DIV>
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<DIV>Giving up something (candy, alcohol, watching TV, whatever)--a far cry from the strict fasts of earlier centuries!--<U>is extremely easy</U> for only 6 days at a time if Sunday is not counted as Lent. It can be <U>very hard</U> if it is done continuously from Ash Wednesday to Easter Sunday.</DIV>
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<DIV>The Church used to probibit eating meat on <B>every</B> Friday during the year. But for the small vestige of this discipline that still exists in Lent, <U>it is absurd to water it down even more</U> through exceptions for the Annunciation, St. Patrick's Day, and St. Joseph's Day.</DIV>
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<DIV>While I'm not advocating the re-instatement of strict fasts in Lent that existed throughout Catholic history, I think those who gobbled down a big steak or a bucket of KFC last Friday were on the exact opposite side the Church's long-standing traditions during Lent.</DIV>
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<DIV><B><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Art</FONT></B></DIV><BR>--- On <B>Sun, 3/27/11, Dianne Dawson <I><rcdianne@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Yes, we can eat meat this Friday.<BR>To: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly@yahoo.com>, "Apologetics Group" <apologetics@gathman.org><BR>Cc: "Father Hathaway" <frehathaway@stveronica.net>, "Amy Earline Kelly" <AKelly421@aol.com>, "Father Peffley" <fpeffley@juno.com>, "Jimmy Murphy" <jmurf80@gmail.com>, "Father Phillips" <frphillips@atonementonline.com>, "Alice Sasscer" <aksasscer@aol.com>, "Dave Armstrong" <apologistdave@gmail.com><BR>Date: Sunday, March 27, 2011, 2:14 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV>While I respect your opinion when it comes to your personal Lenten practices, your statements are NOT in keeping with the mind of the Church - even as far back as the time of the Apostles, St. Thomas Aquinas, or other Church Fathers (cf. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/09152a.htm). The reason we abstain from meat on Fridays is not out of a sense of legalism but because Fridays, normally, are days of sorrow in remembrance of our Lord's death. During Jesus' time meat was only served at festivals and other celebrations due to its expense. However, Sundays and Solemnities in honor of our Lord or Blessed Mother are days of great joy and feasting. As such it would not be proper to abstain from meat, for sacrificial reasons. If you just <I>wanted</I> to not eat meat then that's something different altogether.</DIV>
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<DIV>We also have to beware of developing a sense of legalism, which is something Jesus' specifically spoke against.</DIV>
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<DIV>No one who is sincere about observing Lent should eat meat on Friday!</DIV>
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<DIV>Likewise, the belief of some that every Sunday in Lent dispenses them from whatever they are giving up <U>misses the entire point of Lent</U>!</DIV>
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<DIV>ANYONE can give up something for six days. That's <U>not</U> a genuine sacrifice! </DIV>
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<DIV>Only when someone gives up something he or she really likes <U>all the way</U> from Ash Wednesday to Easter Sunday does a <B>real</B> sacrifice occur.</DIV>
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<DIV>So, this Friday <U>and</U> every Friday in Lent, <B>DON'T</B> eat meat! (That holds true whenever St. Patrick's Day or St. Joseph's Day falls on a Friday too.)</DIV>
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<DIV>And whatever you've given up for Lent, continue to give it up until Easter.<B><FONT color=#0000ff size=3>Art</FONT></B></DIV>
<DIV>--- On <B>Thu, 3/24/11, Dianne Dawson <I><rcdianne@yahoo.com></I></B> wrote:</DIV>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne@yahoo.com><BR>Subject: [Apologetics] Yes, we can eat meat this Friday.<BR>To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics@gathman.org><BR>Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 4:31 PM<BR><BR>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal>Eating meat: permitted on the Annunciation</DIV></DIV></DIV>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal>Citing Canon 1251, various dioceses, Catholic bloggers, and even secular newspapers are noting that the obligation to abstain from meat is abrogated on Friday, March 25, because it is the Solemnity of the Annunciation. </DIV></DIV>
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<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://www.omaha.com/article/20110324/LIVING/703249935%20" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>It’s ok to eat meat this Friday. Really! (Omaha World-Herald) </FONT></SPAN></A>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://baldwin-whitehall.patch.com/articles/saint-albert-the-great-offers-place-of-worship-and-fellowship-not-to-mention-fish-fry" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Saint Albert the Great Offers Place of Worship and Fellowship (Not to Mention Fish Fry) (Baldwin-Whitehall Patch) </FONT></SPAN></A>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://stlouisreview.com/article/2011-03-09/archdiocese-issues" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Archdiocese issues Lenten regulations (St. Louis Review) </FONT></SPAN></A>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://www.dioceseofpueblo.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=215&Itemid=237" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Liturgical Advisories (Diocese of Pueblo)</FONT></SPAN></A>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://www.facebook.com/adw.org/posts/202801656404749" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Archdiocese of Washington: comments (Facebook)</FONT></SPAN></A>
<DIV style="MARGIN: 0in 0in 0pt" class=yiv595123748MsoNormal><A href="http://blog.dmdiocese.org/posts/lenten-break-fast.cfm" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Solemnity of the Annunciation of the Lord (Diocese of Des Moines)</FONT></SPAN></A><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><A href="http://www.jimmyakin.org/2011/03/happy-meat-eating-friday-2011-" rel=nofollow target=_blank><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Georgia; FONT-SIZE: 11.5pt"><FONT color=#0081cf>Happy Meat-Eating Friday! (2011 Edition) (JimmyAkin.org) </FONT></SPAN></A></SPAN><BR>
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<DIV><EM><FONT color=#0000bf face="Comic Sans MS">Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.</FONT></EM></DIV></FONT></I></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000bf><I><FONT face="comic sans ms">Ps 42:1</FONT></I></FONT></DIV>
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