[Apologetics] Urgent Prayer Request

Sat Apr 17 00:45:59 EDT 2004

Thanks, Ward.

I've looked over this website promoting the Pieta
Prayer Book. It is very ANTI-Catholic from an
ULTRA-traditionalist viewpoint. Among the many absurd
things it says include:

The Catechism of the Council of Trent tells us that “a
Catholic sins against the faith by participating in
non-Catholic worship.” The New Mass is not Catholic
worship, even if it has retained the name “Catholic,”
as did the Anglican liturgy until recently.

"A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
can an evil tree bring forth good fruit." (Matt.
7:15-17) Given the foregoing, it should be plain that
the New Mass was conceived for an evil purpose and
constructed by evil means.

It actually gets worse. Read their article on "The
Evils of the New Liturgy" at
http://olrl.org/new_mass/evils.html

I don't have time right now to respond to all of their
nonsense, but Matt 1618 has an excellent section in
his website on this kind of thing at
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/TRADIT.html

His home page, with a lot of good material, is at
http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/

Art

--- Ward Collins <hik4fun at citlink.net> wrote:
> http://www.olrl.org/pray/pieta/   I have not read
> this but did take a
> cursory look at it, it might be of interest to some
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>;
> "Mary Ellen Jackson"
> <jackson at laudasion.org>; "Kathleen Poole"
> <ktpoole at earthlink.net>; "Holly
> Gatling" <sccl at bellsouth.net>; "English Morris"
> <inchoir at yahoo.com>
> Sent: 16 April 2004 Friday 1:02 AM
> Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Urgent Prayer Request
> 
> 
> > Dianne,
> >
> > WHAT is the Pieta Prayer Book?  WHO is the
> > author/editor? WHO is the publisher? WHEN was it
> > written? WHERE did it get this spurious story?
> >
> > If you have a name and mailing address, I
> encourage
> > you to write to them and ask for full
> AUTHENICATION of
> > this story with COMPLETE details.
> >
> > If they cannot do that, you should demand that
> they
> > recall this book and delete this slander against
> an
> > un-named Pope.
> >
> > And if they think they can do this, then they
> ought to
> > revised their book to include the WHO, WHAT, WHEN,
> > WHERE, WHY, and HOW that is elementary to any
> > journalistic reporting.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > --- Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dear Art,
> > >
> > > All I know is that it is in the Pieta Prayer
> Book.
> > > I have to admit to not being all that focused on
> the
> > > story surrounding the prayers, just the prayers
> > > themselves.  But you make an excellent point.
> > >
> > > Thank you for your continued prayers for Kathy. 
> I
> > > will keep you updated on her status.
> > >
> > > Dianne
> > >
> > > Art Kelly <arthurkelly at yahoo.com> wrote:
> > > Dianne,
> > >
> > > I've prayed for your friend and will do so again
> > > today.
> > >
> > > However, I seriously doubt the story about the
> > > sinful
> > > Pope who was dying and did not know that a
> sincere
> > > Act
> > > of Contrition would obtain forgiveness, to say
> > > nothing
> > > about the Sacrament of Confession.
> > >
> > > If this story is true, WHO was that Pope? WHERE
> was
> > > this information obtained?
> > >
> > > There have been a few sinful (and many saintly)
> > > Popes,
> > > but they were all OK to good on theological
> matters.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- Dianne Dawson wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Dear Friends,
> > > >
> > > > I have a most urgent prayer request. A very
> dear
> > > > friend of mine, Kathy Santos, is at death's
> door.
> > > > She is 61yo and has Emphysema. Kathy's
> daughter
> > > > called me at 6:30am to tell me that they had
> > > almost
> > > > lost her last night but she rallied.
> > > >
> > > > Kathy, in her chronic illness, has been
> through
> > > > bouts of anger at God and has been very
> > > despondent.
> > > > She has been annointed by a priest and is
> right
> > > with
> > > > God and the Church. She is frightened and is
> > > > fighting to stay as long as she can. She made
> > > peace
> > > > with one of her sons but the other one
> probably
> > > > won't come around.
> > > >
> > > > I met Kathy in 1993 in Conyers, Georgia. I
> haven't
> > > > seen her since but we've had a very close
> > > > relationship and have talked by phone at least
> > > every
> > > > 2-3 weeks for the last eleven years.
> > > >
> > > > Please join me in prayer for her family and
> for
> > > > Kathy that she may be enveloped with Christ's
> > > peace
> > > > and will reach out with great joy to His
> loving,
> > > > waiting arms.
> > > >
> > > > Dianne
> > > >
> > > > P.S. If you would like to send her daughter,
> Sue
> > > > Shea, a note of comfort her address is
> > > > sueshea at snet.net
> > > >
> > > > >From the Pieta Prayer Book -
> > > >
> > > > THREE VERY BEAUTIFUL PRAYERS
> > > >
> > > > Which are very useful to a dying person, and
> > > should
> > > > be prayed often as an act of mercy.
> > > >
> > > > There once was a Pope in Rome who was
> surrounded
> > > by
> > > > many sins. The Lord God struck him with a
> fatal
> > > > illness. When he saw that he was dying, he
> > > summoned
> > > > Cardinals, Bishops and learned persons and
> said to
> > > > them: "My dear friends! What comfort can you
> give
> > > me
> > > > now that I must die, and when I deserve
> eternal
> > > > damnation for my sins?" No one answered him.
> One
> > > of
> > > > them, a pious curate named John, said:
> "Father,
> > > why
> > > > do you doubt the Mercy of God?" The Pope
> replied:
> > > > "What comfort can you give me now that I must
> die
> > > > and fear that I'll be damned for my sins?"
> John
> > > > replied: "I'll read these prayers over you; I
> hope
> > > > you'll be comforted and that you will obtain
> Mercy
> > > > from God." The Pope was unable to say more.
> The
> > > > curate and all those present knelt and said an
> Our
> > > > Father, then the following Prayers:
> > > >
> > > > 1. Prayer
> > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Son of God and Son of
> the
> > > > Virgin Mary, God and Man, Thou who in fear
> sweated
> > > > blood for us on the Mount of Olives in order
> to
> > > > bring peace, and to offer Thy Most Holy Death
> to
> > > God
> > > > Thy Heavenly Father for the salvation of this
> > > dying
> > > > person...
> > > > If it be, however, that by his sins, he merits
> > > > eternal damnation, then may it be deflected
> from
> > > > him. This, O Eternal Father through Our Lord
> Jesus
> > > > Christ, Thy Dear Son, Who liveth and reigneth
> in
> > > > union with The Holy Spirit now and forever.
> Amen
> > > >
> > > > 2. Prayer
> > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Who meekly died on the
> > > trunk
> > > > of the Cross for us, submitting Thy Will
> > > completely
> > > > to Thy Heavenly Father in order to bring peace
> and
> > > > to offer Thy Most Holy Death to Thy Heavenly
> > > Father
> > > > in order to free... (this person) ...and to
> hide
> > > > from him what he has earned with his sins;
> grant
> > > > this O Eternal Father! Through Our Lord Jesus
> Thy
> > > > Son, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee in
> union
> > > with
> > > > the Holy Spirit now and forever. Amen.
> > > >
> > > > 3. Prayer
> > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Who remained silent to
> > > speak
> > > > through the mouths of the Prophets: I have
> drawn
> > > > Thee to me through Eternal Love, which Love
> drew
> > > > Thee from Heaven into the body of the Virgin,
> > > which
> > > > Love drew Thee from the body of the Virgin
> into
> > > the
> > > > valley of this needful world, which Love kept
> Thee
> > > > 33 years in this world, and as a sign of Great
> > > Love,
> > > > Thou hast given Thy Holy Body as True Food and
> Thy
> > > > Holy Blood as True Drink, as a sign of Great
> Love,
> > > > Thou hast consented to be condemned to death,
> and
> > > > hast consented to die and to be buried and
> truly
> > > > risen, and appeared to Thy Holy Mother and all
> Thy
> > > > Apostles and the hearts of all who hope and
> > > believe
> > > > in Thee. Through Thy Sign of Eternal Love,
> open
> > > > Heaven today and take this dying person ...and
> all
> > > > his sins into the Realm of Thy Heavenly
> Father,
> > > that
> > > > he may reign with Thee now and forever. Amen.
> > > >
> > > > Meanwhile, the pope died. The curate
> persevered to
> > > > the third hour, then the Pope appeared to him
> in
> > > > body and comforting him; his countenance as
> > > > brilliant as the sun, his clothes as white as
> > > snow,
> > > > and he said: "My dear brother! Whereas I was
> > > > supposed to be a child of damnation I've
> become a
> > > > child of happiness. As you recited the first
> > > Prayer,
> > > > many of my sins fell from me as rain from
> Heaven,
> > > > and as you recited the second Prayer, I was
> > > > purified, as a goldsmith purifies gold in a
> hot
> > > > fire. I was still purified as you recited the
> > > third
> > > > Prayer. Then I saw Heaven open and the Lord
> Jesus
> > > > standing on the Right Hand of God the Father,
> Who
> > > > said to me: "Come, all thy sins are forgiven
> thee,
> > > > you'll be and remain in the Realm of My Father
> > > > forever. Amen!"
> > > >
> > > > With these words, my soul separated from my
> body
> > > and
> > > > the Angels of God led it to Eternal Joy.
> > > >
> > > > As the curate heard this he said: "O Holy
> Father!
> > > I
> > > > can't tell these things to anyone, for they
> won't
> > > > believe me." Then the Pope said: "Truly I tell
> > > thee,
> > > > the Angel of God stands with me and has
> written
> > > the
> > > > prayers in letters of gold for the consolement
> of
> > > > all sinners. If a person had committed all the
> > > sins
> > > > in the world, but that the three Prayers shall
> > > have
> > > > been read (over him) at his end (death), all
> his
> > > > sins will be forgiven him, even though his
> soul
> > > was
> > > > supposed to suffer until the Last Judgement,
> it
> > > will
> > > > be redeemed (freed)."
> > > >
> > > > The person who hears them read, he won't die
> an
> > > > unhappy death, also in whose house they shall
> be
> > > > read. Therefore, take these prayers and carry
> them
> > > > into St. Peter's Basilica and lay them in the
> > > Chapel
> > > > named the Assumption of Mary, for certain
> > > > consolation. The person who will be near
> death,
> > > who
> > > > reads them or hears them read, gains 400 years
> > > > indulgence for the days he was supposed to
> suffer
> > > in
> > > > Purgatory because of his guilt. Also, who
> reads
> > > this
> > > > Prayer or hears it read, the hour of his death
> > > shall
> > > > be revealed to him. Amen!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > CONSECRATING THE LAST TWO HOURS
> > > > OF OUR LIFE TO THE MOST HOLY VIRGIN
> > > >
> > > > by the late
> > > > Rev. Fr. Ildefonso M. Izaguirre, O. P.
> > > >
> > > > Prostrated at thy feet, and humiliated by my
> sins,
> > > > but full of confidence in thee, O Mary! I beg
> thee
> > > > to accept the petition my heart is about to
> make.
> > > It
> > > > is for my last moments. Dear Mother I wish to
> > > > request thy protection and maternal love so
> that
> > > in
> > > > the decisive instant that thou wilt do all thy
> > > love
> > > > can suggest in my behalf.
> > > >
> > > > To thee, O Mother of my soul, I consecrate THE
> > > LAST
> > > > TWO HOURS of my life. Come to my side to
> receive
> > > my
> > > > last breath and when death has cut the thread
> of
> > > my
> > > > days, tell Jesus, presenting to Him my soul,
> "I
> > > LOVE
> > > > IT". That word alone will be enough to procure
> for
> > > > me the benediction of my God and the happiness
> of
> > > > seeing thee for all eternity.
> > > >
> > > > I put my trust in thee, my Mother and hope it
> will
> > > > not be in vain.
> > > >
> > > > O Mary! Pray for thy child and lead him to
> Jesus!
> > > >
> > > > Amen.
> > > >
> > > > "Abandoning the Mother is but one step
> > > > from abandoning the Son"
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Like a deer that longs for running waters so
> my
> > > soul
> > > > longs for you, O God.
> > > >
> > > > Ps 42:1
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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