[Apologetics] Pieta Prayer Book

Tue Apr 20 08:44:07 EDT 2004

Dianne,

This website contends that it is a mortal sin for 
a Catholic to attend a Mass conducted in the 
current rite of the Church because it is actually a 
Protestant service.

Their vicious attack on the Mass is inexcusable.

Art

--- Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Dear Art,
>  
> Actually, they are correct as far as the council of
> Trent goes.  If you remember, before Vatican II it
> was considered a grave sin for a Catholic to attend
> a non-Catholic service.  I good friend of mine, an
> older lady, said her mother would never let her go
> to the strawberry picking sponsored by the Lutheran
> Church.  I could never attend a service with a very
> dear friend of mine who was Baptist.  At the time
> there were VERY good reasons for this attitude.
>  
> Also,  I think we need to be careful in judging
> something as an "evil tree."  It seems the term
> "misguided" is more appropriate.
>  
> Dianne
> 
> Art Kelly <arthurkelly at yahoo.com> wrote:
> Thanks, Ward.
> 
> I've looked over this website promoting the Pieta
> Prayer Book. It is very ANTI-Catholic from an
> ULTRA-traditionalist viewpoint. Among the many
> absurd
> things it says include:
> 
> The Catechism of the Council of Trent tells us that
> “a
> Catholic sins against the faith by participating in
> non-Catholic worship.” The New Mass is not Catholic
> worship, even if it has retained the name
> “Catholic,”
> as did the Anglican liturgy until recently.
> 
> "A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither
> can an evil tree bring forth good fruit." (Matt.
> 7:15-17) Given the foregoing, it should be plain
> that
> the New Mass was conceived for an evil purpose and
> constructed by evil means.
> 
> It actually gets worse. Read their article on "The
> Evils of the New Liturgy" at
> http://olrl.org/new_mass/evils.html
> 
> I don't have time right now to respond to all of
> their
> nonsense, but Matt 1618 has an excellent section in
> his website on this kind of thing at
> http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/TRADIT.html
> 
> His home page, with a lot of good material, is at
> http://matt1618.freeyellow.com/
> 
> Art
> 
> --- Ward Collins wrote:
> > http://www.olrl.org/pray/pieta/ I have not read
> > this but did take a
> > cursory look at it, it might be of interest to
> some
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Art Kelly" 
> > To: "Apologetics Group" ;
> > "Mary Ellen Jackson"
> > ; "Kathleen Poole"
> > ; "Holly
> > Gatling" ; "English Morris"
> > 
> > Sent: 16 April 2004 Friday 1:02 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Urgent Prayer Request
> > 
> > 
> > > Dianne,
> > >
> > > WHAT is the Pieta Prayer Book? WHO is the
> > > author/editor? WHO is the publisher? WHEN was it
> > > written? WHERE did it get this spurious story?
> > >
> > > If you have a name and mailing address, I
> > encourage
> > > you to write to them and ask for full
> > AUTHENICATION of
> > > this story with COMPLETE details.
> > >
> > > If they cannot do that, you should demand that
> > they
> > > recall this book and delete this slander against
> > an
> > > un-named Pope.
> > >
> > > And if they think they can do this, then they
> > ought to
> > > revised their book to include the WHO, WHAT,
> WHEN,
> > > WHERE, WHY, and HOW that is elementary to any
> > > journalistic reporting.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- Dianne Dawson wrote:
> > > > Dear Art,
> > > >
> > > > All I know is that it is in the Pieta Prayer
> > Book.
> > > > I have to admit to not being all that focused
> on
> > the
> > > > story surrounding the prayers, just the
> prayers
> > > > themselves. But you make an excellent point.
> > > >
> > > > Thank you for your continued prayers for
> Kathy. 
> > I
> > > > will keep you updated on her status.
> > > >
> > > > Dianne
> > > >
> > > > Art Kelly wrote:
> > > > Dianne,
> > > >
> > > > I've prayed for your friend and will do so
> again
> > > > today.
> > > >
> > > > However, I seriously doubt the story about the
> > > > sinful
> > > > Pope who was dying and did not know that a
> > sincere
> > > > Act
> > > > of Contrition would obtain forgiveness, to say
> > > > nothing
> > > > about the Sacrament of Confession.
> > > >
> > > > If this story is true, WHO was that Pope?
> WHERE
> > was
> > > > this information obtained?
> > > >
> > > > There have been a few sinful (and many
> saintly)
> > > > Popes,
> > > > but they were all OK to good on theological
> > matters.
> > > >
> > > > Art
> > > >
> > > > --- Dianne Dawson wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Dear Friends,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have a most urgent prayer request. A very
> > dear
> > > > > friend of mine, Kathy Santos, is at death's
> > door.
> > > > > She is 61yo and has Emphysema. Kathy's
> > daughter
> > > > > called me at 6:30am to tell me that they had
> > > > almost
> > > > > lost her last night but she rallied.
> > > > >
> > > > > Kathy, in her chronic illness, has been
> > through
> > > > > bouts of anger at God and has been very
> > > > despondent.
> > > > > She has been annointed by a priest and is
> > right
> > > > with
> > > > > God and the Church. She is frightened and is
> > > > > fighting to stay as long as she can. She
> made
> > > > peace
> > > > > with one of her sons but the other one
> > probably
> > > > > won't come around.
> > > > >
> > > > > I met Kathy in 1993 in Conyers, Georgia. I
> > haven't
> > > > > seen her since but we've had a very close
> > > > > relationship and have talked by phone at
> least
> > > > every
> > > > > 2-3 weeks for the last eleven years.
> > > > >
> > > > > Please join me in prayer for her family and
> > for
> > > > > Kathy that she may be enveloped with
> Christ's
> > > > peace
> > > > > and will reach out with great joy to His
> > loving,
> > > > > waiting arms.
> > > > >
> > > > > Dianne
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. If you would like to send her daughter,
> > Sue
> > > > > Shea, a note of comfort her address is
> > > > > sueshea at snet.net
> > > > >
> > > > > >From the Pieta Prayer Book -
> > > > >
> > > > > THREE VERY BEAUTIFUL PRAYERS
> > > > >
> > > > > Which are very useful to a dying person, and
> > > > should
> > > > > be prayed often as an act of mercy.
> > > > >
> > > > > There once was a Pope in Rome who was
> > surrounded
> > > > by
> > > > > many sins. The Lord God struck him with a
> > fatal
> > > > > illness. When he saw that he was dying, he
> > > > summoned
> > > > > Cardinals, Bishops and learned persons and
> > said to
> > > > > them: "My dear friends! What comfort can you
> > give
> > > > me
> > > > > now that I must die, and when I deserve
> > eternal
> > > > > damnation for my sins?" No one answered him.
> > One
> > > > of
> > > > > them, a pious curate named John, said:
> > "Father,
> > > > why
> > > > > do you doubt the Mercy of God?" The Pope
> > replied:
> > > > > "What comfort can you give me now that I
> must
> > die
> > > > > and fear that I'll be damned for my sins?"
> > John
> > > > > replied: "I'll read these prayers over you;
> I
> > hope
> > > > > you'll be comforted and that you will obtain
> > Mercy
> > > > > from God." The Pope was unable to say more.
> > The
> > > > > curate and all those present knelt and said
> an
> > Our
> > > > > Father, then the following Prayers:
> > > > >
> > > > > 1. Prayer
> > > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Son of God and Son
> of
> > the
> > > > > Virgin Mary, God and Man, Thou who in fear
> > sweated
> > > > > blood for us on the Mount of Olives in order
> > to
> > > > > bring peace, and to offer Thy Most Holy
> Death
> > to
> > > > God
> > > > > Thy Heavenly Father for the salvation of
> this
> > > > dying
> > > > > person...
> > > > > If it be, however, that by his sins, he
> merits
> > > > > eternal damnation, then may it be deflected
> > from
> > > > > him. This, O Eternal Father through Our Lord
> > Jesus
> > > > > Christ, Thy Dear Son, Who liveth and
> reigneth
> > in
> > > > > union with The Holy Spirit now and forever.
> > Amen
> > > > >
> > > > > 2. Prayer
> > > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Who meekly died on
> the
> > > > trunk
> > > > > of the Cross for us, submitting Thy Will
> > > > completely
> > > > > to Thy Heavenly Father in order to bring
> peace
> > and
> > > > > to offer Thy Most Holy Death to Thy Heavenly
> > > > Father
> > > > > in order to free... (this person) ...and to
> > hide
> > > > > from him what he has earned with his sins;
> > grant
> > > > > this O Eternal Father! Through Our Lord
> Jesus
> > Thy
> > > > > Son, Who liveth and reigneth with Thee in
> > union
> > > > with
> > > > > the Holy Spirit now and forever. Amen.
> > > > >
> > > > > 3. Prayer
> > > > > Lord Jesus Christ! Thou Who remained silent
> to
> > > > speak
> > > > > through the mouths of the Prophets: I have
> > drawn
> > > > > Thee to me through Eternal Love, which Love
> > drew
> > > > > Thee from Heaven into the body of the
> Virgin,
> > > > which
> > > > > Love drew Thee from the body of the Virgin
> > into
> > > > the
> > > > > valley of this needful world, which Love
> kept
> > Thee
> > > > > 33 years in this world, and as a sign of
> Great
> > > > Love,
> > > > > Thou hast given Thy Holy Body as True Food
> and
> > Thy
> > > > > Holy Blood as True Drink, as a sign of Great
> > Love,
> > > > > Thou hast consented to be condemned to
> death,
> > and
> > > > > hast consented to die and to be buried and
> > truly
> > > > > risen, and appeared to Thy Holy Mother and
> all
> > Thy
> > > > > Apostles and the hearts of all who hope and
> > > > believe
> > > > > in Thee. Through Thy Sign of Eternal Love,
> > open
> > > > > Heaven today and take this dying person
> ...and
> > all
> > > > > his sins into the Realm of Thy Heavenly
> > Father,
> > > > that
> > > > > he may reign with Thee now and forever.
> Amen.
> > > > >
> > > > > Meanwhile, the pope died. The curate
> > persevered to
> > > > > the third hour, then the Pope appeared to
> him
> > in
> > > > > body and comforting him; his countenance as
> > > > > brilliant as the sun, his clothes as white
> as
> > > > snow,
> > > > > and he said: "My dear brother! Whereas I was
> > > > > supposed to be a child of damnation I've
> > become a
> > > > > child of happiness. As you recited the first
> > > > Prayer,
> > > > > many of my sins fell from me as rain from
> > Heaven,
> > > > > and as you recited the second Prayer, I was
> > > > > purified, as a goldsmith purifies gold in a
> > hot
> > > > > fire. I was still purified as you recited
> the
> > > > third
> > > > > Prayer. Then I saw Heaven open and the Lord
> > Jesus
> > > > > standing on the Right Hand of God the
> Father,
> > Who
> > > > > said to me: "Come, all thy sins are forgiven
> > thee,
> > > > > you'll be and remain in the Realm of My
> Father
> > > > > forever. Amen!"
> > > > >
> > > > > With these words, my soul separated from my
> > body
> > > > and
> > > > > the Angels of God led it to Eternal Joy.
> > > > >
> > > > > As the curate heard this he said: "O Holy
> > Father!
> > > > I
> > > > > can't tell these things to anyone, for they
> > won't
> > > > > believe me." Then the Pope said: "Truly I
> tell
> > > > thee,
> > > > > the Angel of God stands with me and has
> > written
> > > > the
> > > > > prayers in letters of gold for the
> consolement
> > of
> > > > > all sinners. If a person had committed all
> the
> > > > sins
> > > > > in the world, but that the three Prayers
> shall
> > > > have
> > > > > been read (over him) at his end (death), all
> > his
> > > > > sins will be forgiven him, even though his
> > soul
> > > > was
> > > > > supposed to suffer until the Last Judgement,
> > it
> > > > will
> > > > > be redeemed (freed)."
> > > > >
> > > > > The person who hears them read, he won't die
> > an
> > > > > unhappy death, also in whose house they
> shall
> > be
> > > > > read. Therefore, take these prayers and
> carry
> > them
> > > > > into St. Peter's Basilica and lay them in
> the
> > > > Chapel
> > > > > named the Assumption of Mary, for certain
> > > > > consolation. The person who will be near
> > death,
> > > > who
> > > > > reads them or hears them read, gains 400
> years
> > > > > indulgence for the days he was supposed to
> > suffer
> > > > in
> > > > > Purgatory because of his guilt. Also, who
> > reads
> > > > this
> > > > > Prayer or hears it read, the hour of his
> death
> > > > shall
> > > > > be revealed to him. Amen!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > CONSECRATING THE LAST TWO HOURS
> > > > > OF OUR LIFE TO THE MOST HOLY VIRGIN
> > > > >
> > > > > by the late
> > > > > Rev. Fr. Ildefonso M. Izaguirre, O. P.
> > > > >
> > > > > Prostrated at thy feet, and humiliated by my
> > sins,
> > > > > but full of confidence in thee, O Mary! I
> beg
> > thee
> > > > > to accept the petition my heart is about to
> > make.
> > > > It
> > > > > is for my last moments. Dear Mother I wish
> to
> > > > > request thy protection and maternal love so
> > that
> > > > in
> > > > > the decisive instant that thou wilt do all
> thy
> > > > love
> > > > > can suggest in my behalf.
> > > > >
> > > > > To thee, O Mother of my soul, I consecrate
> THE
> > > > LAST
> > > > > TWO HOURS of my life. Come to my side to
> > receive
> > > > my
> > > > > last breath and when death has cut the
> thread
> > of
> > > > my
> > > > > days, tell Jesus, presenting to Him my soul,
> > "I
> > > > LOVE
> > > > > IT". That word alone will be enough to
> procure
> > for
> > > > > me the benediction of my God and the
> happiness
> > of
> > > > > seeing thee for all eternity.
> > > > >
> > > > > I put my trust in thee, my Mother and hope
> it
> > will
> > > > > not be in vain.
> > > > >
> > > > > O Mary! Pray for thy child and lead him to
> > Jesus!
> > > > >
> > > > > Amen.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Abandoning the Mother is but one step
> > > > > from abandoning the Son"
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Like a deer that longs for running waters so
> > my
> > > > soul
> > > > > longs for you, O God.
> > > > >
> > > > > Ps 42:1
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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> Ps 42:1
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