[Apologetics] Re: Electronic Vote Systems

[Art Kelly]

Stuart,

I agree with you about the unrealiability of
electronic voting systems and their vulnerability to
fraud.

I was concerned about punch card systems and scanned
ballots long before Florida.

I've served as an election judge in both Houston and
Austin. I've not yet been an election judge or worker
in Fairfax County, but I'd like to do it sometime.

In the meantime, the persons you need to contact are
your state senator and state delegate. As members of
the General Assembly, they make the election laws. 

Tell them what the state law needs to say about
safeguarding electronic vote procedures.

Art

Art

--- "Stuart D. Gathman" <stuart at bmsi.com> wrote:

> On Fri, 8 Oct 2004, Jim Murphy wrote:
> 
> > You continually imply that Skull & Bones is a
> thing of the past.  Time
> 
> Not only did I not imply that, but I shouted the
> opposite in capital
> letters, for instance,
> 
>   "clubs and frats today ARE EVEN WORSE"
> 
> > guys are current members of Skull & Bones.  They
> are current members of
> 
> You need to define what you mean by "member".  If
> Bush and Kerry continue
> to this day to attend monthly ceremonies where they
> take part in occultic
> rituals, I would be concerned.  If you mean that
> Bush and Kerry never formally
> renounced their membership in their college club, we
> come back to why is this 
> sin so special?  And why pick on Bush and Kerry? 
> Nearly everyone who
> attends college joins a frat - and nearly all the
> frats are just as bad.
> I hate frats.  I am staggered at the blindness
> evinced by people who
> join them at their peril.  
> 
> But, once again, let me try to state my objection
> another way:
> 
>   The fact that Bush and Kerry joined an occultic
> frat in college
>   is not statistically significant.
> 
> This doesn't mean I think such frats are no big deal
> - it means that 
> Bush and Kerry and no better or worse that the
> majority of Yale graduates -
> of which there are many.
> 
> > We are in the grip of a revolutionary power and
> at the core is Satan.  I
> > believe that this sick, partial list of horrors is
> related to the occult
> > activities of our president and his fellow
> Bonesmen.
> 
> Yes, but the key to the power is that nearly
> everyone gets the occult
> frat treatment.  Cherry picking member who also
> happen to be leaders
> is not only erroneous thinking, but ignores that
> base of Satan's power.
> His power is not dependent on a cabal of secret
> Luciferians.  He would
> love for us to get distracted trying to descern the
> membership of a
> secret cabal.  In the meantime, most Americans get
> indoctrinated from
> "HeadStart" through college with sexual perversion,
> old descredited
> hoaxes presented as scientific fact, and occultic
> philosophy 
> ("you must choose for yourself what is right and
> what is wrong").
> 
> Much closer to attacking the root of the problem are
> these guys:
> 
> http://www.honested.com/
> 
> > For several years I have been trying to point out
> that something is
> > deeply wrong with the current conservative
> movement.  One sign after
> 
> Amen.
> 
> > OK, I give up. I don't want to go to the detention
> center.  I'll send in
> > my money early for the 2008 Arnold campaign for
> president.  How's this
> > sound?    VOTE FOR THE GROPPENFUHER IN 08!
> 
> How about visiting
> 
> http://www.electionmethods.org/
> 
> to educate yourself and campaigning to allow
> "Approval voting" (vote for 0 or
> more of the above) so that the true level support
> for 3rd party candidates
> can be seen?  I would love to be able to vote for
> the Constitution Party
> candidate without "throwing away" my vote.  Start
> with the local level.
> 
> And there is a big security problem with the
> upcoming election:  
> voting machines in Fairfax County have been replaced
> with new WinVote
> machines.  I have nothing against electronic voting,
> but these machines
> provide no auditability.  Worse, they communicate
> the vote counts via
> a wireless network using WEP - for which cracking
> methods are so well 
> known that they come with an easy to use GUI for
> Windows or Linux.
> 
> You can read about the current drive to allow
> massive election fraud
> via unauditable voting machines at
> 
> http://verifiedvoting.org
> 
> Last year, the Repubs got burned.  Voting machines
> which "crashed" (they
> run Windows) were removed from the polling places,
> taken to a "service center",
> then returned to the polling place with "the vote
> counts restored".
> 
> By law, the Repubs could demand a recount, but there
> was nothing to count!
> Similar situations occurred in Florida and many
> other states - which you
> can read about at the site above.
> 
> These voting machines are not legal - and those
> fighting for basic
> accountability in elections come equally from Left
> and Right.  I
> have argued about this with County election
> officials, but they
> condescendingly pretend that all such concerns are
> "technophobia".
> Bah.  A technical solution for Fairfax County (given
> that they
> have already bought the WinVote machines) - which
> can still be implemented by
> November - is to install printers on the voting
> machines behind glass.  That
> way, voters can see their vote printed before it
> drops into a locked ballot
> box.  If there are questions about the election, the
> printed votes can be
> counted as required by law.
> 
> -- 
> 	      Stuart D. Gathman <stuart at bmsi.com>
>     Business Management Systems Inc.  Phone: 703
> 591-0911 Fax: 703 591-6154
> "Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" -
> background song for
> a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from
> here?" commercial.
> 
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