[Apologetics] Anglican leader says conservatives endanger unity

[Bret Bellamy]

OK.....one more time I'll try to clarify what I was trying to get across!!!

The African bishops that are boycotting Lambeth are true Christians, not the C of E/Episcopagan/Whiskeypagan heathens that long ago forsook any belief in the Holy Trinity, Jesus as True God and True Man, the Bible as the Word of God, belief in foundational biblical morals and conduct summed up in the Ten Commandments.  They are true Christians because they stand for and agree with these things that used to be taught by all churches period whether the "true" Church, the "visible" Church, the "invisible" Church, Catholic, Protestant, Eastern Orthodox, or Fundamentalist Baptist.  This is a matter of cheering the brave African bishops standing against neo-pagan carpetbaggers in the C of E/ECUSA, not getting into some debate about "true church", "invisible church", "visible church".  I applaud those brave Africans for their courage and standing for orthodox Christiany regardless of what church they happen to hang their hats in. 

-----Original Message-----
>From: "Stuart D. Gathman" <stuart at bmsi.com>
>Sent: Jul 27, 2007 12:27 PM
>To: Bret Bellamy <bbellamy at mindspring.com>
>Cc: Art Kelly <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>, Apologetics Group <apologetics at gathman.org>, Father Phillips <frphillips at atonementonline.com>
>Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Anglican leader says conservatives endanger unity
>
>On Fri, 27 Jul 2007, Bret Bellamy wrote:
>
>> True church in the sense of believing that Jesus is the promised Messiah, a
>> standard of basic biblical Christian doctrine and morality that all churches
>> used to agree on (Jesus is the Messiah, monogomous heterosexual marriage, the
>> Holy Trinity, no stealing, no adultry, no homosexual acts, chastity, etc.).
>
>Yes, that is the Protestant concept of the "invisible" church: the true Church
>consists of true believers.  However, Catholics (and you are one now)
>define the "true Church" as the one true visible Catholic Church.
>The Pope did acknowedge the validity of the Protestant concept of
>invisible church by saying that God can and does use Protestant churches
>as "instruments of salvation".  However, the term "true Church" for
>Catholics means the visible Church only.  
>
>While some Protestants were upset by the Popes clarification of "Church",
>there is nothing new here.  And since Protestants don't put much stock
>in the visible church (considering the invisible church far more important),
>there is nothing to be offended about.  It is just another vocabulary
>difference.  If you always qualify "church", then Catholics and 
>Protestants still agree as always (except about the importance of
>the visible church):
>
>o Protestants are part of the true invisible Church (intruments of salvation).
>o Protestants are not part of the one true visible Church (Catholic Church),
>  if for no other reason than that they don't believe in any one
>  true visible church.  (Which is why the old saw about 30000 denominations
>  is a straw man.)
>
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