[Apologetics] Adventists Visit the Pope. . . for Other Reasons

Sat Mar 29 22:50:45 EDT 2008

Stephen,

Thanks for the warning about Adventists. 

As you know, the World HQ for the Adventists is in
Silver Spring, Maryland, a suburb of Washington, D.C.
They also have a hospital in this area.

Adventists are so esoteric in their views, it leaves a
lot of people scratching their heads. And they dislike
Protestants almost as much as they do Catholics.

There will be a lot of OTHER anti-Catholic groups out
there in force. Some of these may have the potential
to do more harm than the Adventists. 

I have no chance to go to the Papal Mass--the tickets
have all been accounted for--but I think I may go to
the parking lot to see what anti-Catholic activity is
going on.

Of course, if I do that, I'll miss the Papal Mass on
TV, but maybe God would rather have me seeing what the
anti-Catholic groups are doing. 

I'll have to pray about it.

Art

--- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> While not all literature put out by Adventists is
> approved by Adventism officially, most of the
> unapproved stuff is not coming from their equivalent
> of our SSPX or sede-vacantists; it's still from the
> mainstream part of the denomination.  Adventism
> doesn't officially teach that Catholics worship
> Mary, or dropped one of the 10 Commandments, etc,
> but that is the way the majority of Adventist clergy
> will explain it from their pulpits.
> 
> When one directs an attack against another
> denomination, it's essential to address what the
> denomination actually teaches; from our perspective
> anyway - straw men are perfect tools for
> anti-Catholics.  But when defending one's faith,
> knowing whether the tract or claim made has been
> approved by the Adventist magisterium or not is
> irrelevant - it needs a defence.  The common
> Adventist (magisterially approved or otherwise)
> arguments will be out in full force.
> 
> I took this blog post as a) a warning that there
> would be an increase, b) the type of things to
> expect [possibly camoflagued as something
> "Catholic"], and c) chiding of Adventists guilty of
> this to encourage them to do things honestly.
> 
> God bless,
> Stephen
> 
>   ----- Original Message ----- 
>   From: Art Kelly 
>   To: Apologetics Group 
>   Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2008 8:55 PM
>   Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Adventists Visit the
> Pope. . . for Other Reasons
> 
> 
>   Stephen,
> 
>   Thanks for sending this.
> 
>   Just as the Catholic Church has
> ultra-traditionalists,
>   some of whom are schismatic, I see that other
>   religions have their fringe groups too.
> 
>   I'll be careful not to conclude that anti-Catholic
>   literature from non-Catholic orgnizations is
> approved
>   by the group in purports to represnt.
> 
>   Art
> 
>   --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> wrote:
> 
>   > Adventists Visit the Pope. . . for Other Reasons
>   > via Seventh-day Adventist to Roman Catholic by
> Hugo
>   > on 3/28/08
>   > 
>   > With mere weeks left until Pope Benedict XVI
> steps
>   > foot on American soil, I expect a few zealous
>   > Adventists will join the crowds to pass out
>   > polemical literature. Typically, independent
>   > Adventist ministries (not all of positive repute
>   > within the mainstream church) lead the charge. 
>   > 
>   > Adventist Today catalogued the activities of
> many
>   > Adventists in preparation for the 1993 Denver
> World
>   > Youth Day.
>   > 
>   > During John Paul II's 1999 visit to St. Louis,
> 40
>   > volunteers for Danny Vierra's Modern Manna
>   > Ministries passed out 75,000 copies of what they
>   > publicly and deceptively advertised as a "kosher
>   > Mary book" with an inviting cover of a young
> girl
>   > kissing a statue of the Virgin Mary (an
> hour-long
>   > "testimony"is available here). The Catholic
> League
>   > described the book in a 1998 report.
>   > 
>   > In July 2002, several Adventist ministries
>   > (Hartland, Hope International, etc.) converged
> on
>   > Toronto to distribute another booklet entitled,
>   > "Beware of Protestant Teachings." Despite a
> title
>   > reminiscent of Catholic apologist tracts, it
>   > actually attacked doctrines shared by Catholics.
> I
>   > remember seeing an advance copy of the booklet,
> and
>   > being deeply disturbed by it. Its deceptive
>   > packaging seemed to contradict the standards
> exalted
>   > in the writings of Ellen White:
>   > 
>   > 
>   >   False speaking in any matter, every attempt or
>   > purpose to deceive our neighbor, is [condemned
> in
>   > the ten commandments]. An intention to deceive
> is
>   > what constitutes falsehood. By a glance of the
> eye,
>   > a motion of the hand, an expression of the
>   > countenance, a falsehood may be told as
> effectually
>   > as by words. All intentional overstatement,
> every
>   > hint or insinuation calculated to convey an
>   > erroneous or exaggerated impression, even the
>   > statement of facts in such a manner as to
> mislead,
>   > is falsehood. (PP 309)
>   > 
>   > 
>   > This statement is a terrible indictment of the
>   > tracts passed out by Adventists in 1999 and
> 2002.
>   > Still, in spite of my reservations, I almost
>   > participated in this mission as a young,
> faithful
>   > Adventist. At the time, I was assisting an
>   > evangelistic seminar in New York City. I yearned
> to
>   > go to Canada with many friends of mine, but
>   > ultimately found the trip logistically
> unfeasible. I
>   > was disappointed, recognizing what a great
>   > opportunity World Youth Day presented to share
> "the
>   > three angels' messages."
>   > 
>   > Catholics should be ready for these Adventist
>   > initiatives where and when they will arise. I
> was
>   > heartened to see Catholic Answers preparing for
> such
>   > attacks; hopefully, the Catholic readers on this
>   > blog will do their part as well to defend the
>   > Catholic Church.
>   > 
> 
> 
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