[Apologetics] Bob Sungenis cited as Catholic authority

Stuart Gathman stuart at gathman.org
Mon Feb 6 23:07:37 EST 2012


http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/roman_catholic_salvation.htm

What do you all think of the quote from Sungenis?

Do any of you remember the day I got banned from Sungenis seminars?  I
have reconstructed my question.

I opened up my bible to Hebrews to jog my memory, and this is the
question (while Bob was teaching on Hebrews 9):

Hebrews 9:24-28

    For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with
    hands, /which are/ the figures of the true; but into heaven itself,
    now to appear in the presence of God for us:Nor yet that he should
    offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place
    every year with blood of others; For then must he often have
    suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end
    of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of
    himself.  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
    this the judgement: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of
    many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second
    time without sin unto salvation.

How is Christ offered as a sacrifice daily (or continuously as Bob was
emphasizing in light of world time zones and a global Church) in the
Mass, when Hebrews says he does *not* offer himself often?

This has a standard answer in the Catechism in paragraph 1545
<http://www.scborromeo.org/ccc/para/1545.htm>,

    The redemptive sacrifice of Christ is unique, accomplished once for
    all; yet it is */made present/* in the Eucharistic sacrifice of the
    Church.  The same is true of the one priesthood of Christ; it is
    made present through the ministerial priesthood without diminishing
    the uniqueness of Christ's priesthood: "Only Christ is the true
    priest, the others being only his ministers"  [emphasis mine]

Furthermore, Bob was drawing an analogy of the continuous offering of
the Mass around the world to eternity.  And other Catholic writers have
emphasized <http://www.ewtn.com/library/ANSWERS/REALLYSC.htm> the fact
that all of our time is the "present" to God.  So it seemed like the
perfect softball question, leading in to a discussion of how the Mass
connects time with eternity.

So why did this get Bob off track?  I see now that this is a popular
attack <http://dokimos.org/catholic/page38.html> from anti-catholic
writers, and he didn't seem to be familiar with the catechism answer
(unlike Protestant Catechisms, the current Catholic one has 2865
paragraphs!), so he felt as if I'd undermined his entire lecture, and
started trying to come up with some sort of answer off the cuff (still
trying to remember what his answer was).

Does anyone remember what Bob's answer was?
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