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<DIV>According to the Crusades Encyclopedia at</DIV>
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<DIV><FONT size=3>There is little to authenticate Arnaud's reportedly infamous command to the crusaders at Beziers in July of 1209 to "Kill them all. God will know his own." No source of the time actually records his saying this. The first time the quote is attributed to Arnaud is decades later by the German Cistercian monk Cesar d' Heisterbach in his <I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Dialogus Miraculorum</SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">, <FONT size=3>or</FONT> </SPAN><I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">Of the Miracles</SPAN></I><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">.</SPAN></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px">It adds:</SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-SIZE: 14px"><FONT size=3>A paraphrased version of the quote attributed to Arnaud has remained popular into the modern era, especially with military units that have a reputation for fierceness such as the U.S. Marines, Army Rangers, or Special Forces. The paraphrased version is as follows. "Kill'em all and let God sort'em out." This phrase is found posted above doorways, printed on T-shirts sold on military bases, and serves as a sort of unofficial motto for these organizations. <BR><BR></FONT></SPAN><STRONG><FONT color=#0000ff size=3><FONT color=#007f40 size=4 face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><STRONG><EM>Art Kelly</EM></STRONG></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><SPAN style="FONT-FAMILY: Arial; COLOR: #006600; FONT-SIZE: 12pt"><FONT size=2><STRONG>Turris Fortis Mihi Deus</STRONG></FONT></SPAN></DIV></FONT></STRONG></DIV><BR>--- On <B>Mon, 4/25/11, Stuart D. Gathman <I><stuart@gathman.org></I></B> wrote:<BR>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="BORDER-LEFT: rgb(16,16,255) 2px solid; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px"><BR>From: Stuart D. Gathman <stuart@gathman.org><BR>Subject: [Apologetics] Sordid history<BR>To: apologetics@gathman.org<BR>Date: Monday, April 25, 2011, 5:51 PM<BR><BR>
<DIV class=plainMail>An atheist offered the following summary of a historical incident as evidence of the depravity of all religion (queue questions of what basis he uses to determine what is "depraved"):<BR><BR> The way I read it, the population contained both heretics and good old<BR> Roman Catholics. When the pope's troops were sent to kill the heretics,<BR> most were saying they were Roman Catholics.<BR><BR> The Cathars (Albigensians) were a puritanical religion, and they were<BR> turning away from the corruption of the Papacy. The Pope, Innocent III,<BR> then ordered a crusade against these fellow Christians.<BR><BR> The crusaders were told they could keep the lands and property of any<BR> Cathars that they killed. This was a great motivator.<BR><BR> The crusade was under the direction of the papal legate, the Abbot of<BR> Cīteaux. He ordered the troops to kill all the
Cathars.<BR><BR> When asked how the crusaders were to know who was a Cathar heretic and who<BR> was a Roman Catholic, the abbot replied, "Caedite eos. Novit enim Dominus<BR> qui sunt eius."-"Kill them all, the Lord will know His own."<BR><BR> So 7,000 people who had sought refuge in churches were killed with great<BR> cruelty. Finally the city itself was burned, and many more were killed.<BR><BR> The abbot-commander wrote to the Pope: "Today your Holiness, twenty<BR> thousand heretics were put to the sword, regardless of rank, age, or sex."<BR><BR>Is there more to add or correct? Or is this another sordid chapter in church<BR>history? I do notice that the Abbot, not the Pope, was directly responsible<BR>for the primary injustice.<BR><BR>-- Stuart D. Gathman <<A href="http://us.mc564.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=stuart@gathman.org"
ymailto="mailto:stuart@gathman.org">stuart@gathman.org</A>><BR>"Confutatis maledictis, flamis acribus addictis" - background song for<BR>a Microsoft sponsored "Where do you want to go from here?" commercial.</DIV><BR>-----Inline Attachment Follows-----<BR><BR>
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