[Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a devil!!!!!

Mon Jan 23 13:51:45 EST 2006

Hi

It is good, yes - I've had several quite productive discussions with people
who had a lot of misconceptions about Catholicism.  (Ranging from questions
like, "Do Catholics believe in the Trinity?" all the way up to the usual
stuff.)  I've had bigger effects with my website, though, such as one SDA I
referred to a Catholic ex-SDA in her home town (who had also contacted me)
because she had started doing her own research, and even attended Mass and
found it beautiful.  More recently, someone who had fought hard to change my
views several years ago e-mailed me and said that it had taken time, but
what I said eventually sank in.

God bless,
Stephen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
Sent: Monday, January 23, 2006 8:31 PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a devil!!!!!

> Stephen,
>
> I really like finding guys like this.
>
> You can easily prove how totally wrong he is from
> multiple secular sources, like well-known
> encyclopedias.
>
> And of course, when you show him clear-cut Bible
> verses which support Catholic doctrines, you will help
> him see ther truth.
>
> He might be in denial for a while, but eventually it
> will be too much for him. When he realizes everything
> he thought about the Church is untrue, then good
> things can happen after that.
>
> Art
>
> --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Sorry for the delayed reply ... I've been spending
> > most of my time writing
> > my thesis :-(
> >
> > I would pass stuff on to that guy, but I only really
> > see him in passing
> > every few months, and he's not fixed in a certain
> > area in the hospital.  In
> > the discussion, I did point out that a lot of the
> > things he said about
> > Catholic teaching were based on misconceptions, but
> > he clearly believed his
> > pastor more than me, and wasn't particularly
> > interested in hearing my
> > arguments - he wanted to tell me I was wrong, not
> > hear why that wasn't what
> > I believed.  For people like that, who are fixed in
> > their views, prayer is
> > the only solution.
> >
> > God bless,
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:06 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a
> > devil!!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > As far as I know, your words are perfectly fine.
> > >
> > > My point was that, even if they could be improved
> > upon
> > > in some way (and I don't know that they can), it
> > is
> > > absurd for anyone to go ballistic over them.
> > >
> > > The guy who engaged in this name-calling is not
> > well.
> > > As a doctor, you may recognize the symptoms. He
> > should
> > > receive treatment from a mental health
> > professional.
> > > And we should pray for him.
> > >
> > > As for the guy who approached you in the chapel,
> > that
> > > sounds like a GREAT apologetics opportunity to
> > explain
> > > what Catholics REALLY believe and WHY.
> > >
> > > If you didn't have the time to talk to him then,
> > > perhaps you could make arrangements to sit down
> > with
> > > him over a beer (or if he is a fundamentalist, a
> > > Coke)to talk about the faith.
> > >
> > > Even if he was not open to dialogue, you could
> > have
> > > given him some materials to read. Maybe Pillar of
> > > Fire, Pillar of Truth at
> > > http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp
> > >
> > > Catholic Answers also has good, short articles on
> > > EVERY Protestant objection against the Church.
> > Their
> > > home page is at
> > > http://www.catholic.com/default.asp
> > >
> > > Even now, when you see this guy, hand him a copy
> > of
> > > Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth. Ask him to read
> > it
> > > and then talk to you about it later.
> > >
> > > The easiest persons to convert are those who have
> > > INACCURATE understandings of Catholicism. All you
> > have
> > > to do is prove to them that they are flat wrong
> > about
> > > some salient issue. After that, everything usually
> > > goes very well.
> > >
> > > Of course, Adventists are not your typical
> > > anti-Catholic, since Adventists are also
> > > anti-Protestant and anti-Eastern Orthodox.
> > >
> > > I really appreciate the great work you've done
> > with
> > > the Adventists. You are meeting an important need.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Thanks ... and yes, the name calling is
> > something I
> > > > am more than used to.
> > > > It still gets my blood pressure up, but I try to
> > > > take such opportunities to
> > > > use that energy to get some message out ... and
> > I
> > > > wanted to blog on the
> > > > amount of back stabbing and bickering I've seen
> > > > about each others' heresies
> > > > in ways that amount to hellfire for ridiculous
> > > > things like singing things
> > > > other than psalms, which has made me understand
> > the
> > > > mockery of Christianity
> > > > I've seen from non-Christians.  People feel
> > > > Christians have judged them as
> > > > damned, and all the while the same Christians
> > are
> > > > judging each other as
> > > > damned for petty things.  People complain about
> > the
> > > > hypocrisy in
> > > > Christianity ... it needs to be shown up for
> > what it
> > > > is - not real
> > > > Christianity.
> > > >
> > > > It reminds me of a rather unpleasant experience
> > I
> > > > had at the hospital I work
> > > > at ... I went to the chapel to pray one lunch
> > time,
> > > > and the chapel was
> > > > empty, except for one guy who came in after a
> > while.
> > > >  He saw I had a rosary,
> > > > and interrupted my praying to tell me that his
> > > > pastor was an ex-Catholic and
> > > > knows that we worship Mary as God and worship
> > bread
> > > > and believe in magical
> > > > powers in this bread and don't believe the
> > Bible,
> > > > and that I should believe
> > > > the Bible and be saved and believe in Jesus
> > instead
> > > > of the Pope.  He knew so
> > > > much more about Catholicism than I did, so he
> > > > thought, that in the end the
> > > > only way to end it was to leave.  His looks each
> > > > time we pass in the
> > > > hospital make me feel judged, and I really
> > dislike
> > > > that.
> > > >
> > > > In what way would you say the statement could be
> > > > fine tuned?  (No, I'm not
> > > > taking offence ... I'm just curious.)
> > > >
> > > > Nearly 4am ... I'm off to bed.
> > > >
> > > > God bless,
> > > > Stephen
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > > From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> > > > To: "Apologetics Group"
> > <apologetics at gathman.org>
> > > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:22 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a
> > > > devil!!!!!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Stephen,
> > > > >
> > > > > I see nothing wrong with your statement at
> > all.
> > > > Even
> > > > > if the exact words could be fine-tuned a tad,
> > that
> > > > > does NOT make you a devil.
> > > > >
> > > > > For that mater, I don't consider Arians, Jews,
> > > > > Muslims, or other non-Christians to be devils.
> > > > > Mistaken but definitely not devils.
> > > > >
> > > > > Pray for this poor soul who is so worked up
> > that
> > > > he is
> > > > > calling you absolutely ridiculous names. But I
> > > > guess
> > > > > from your long apologetics work with the
> > > > Adventists,
> > > > > you are used to being called names.
> > > > >
> > > > > Oh, by the way, Jesus was also called a devil.
> > So
> > > > you
> > > > > are in good company.
> > > > >
> > > > > Art
> > > > >
> > > > > --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > Hi
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Apparently I am a devil, along with Judas
> > > > Iscariot,
> > > > > > because I said that "I believe that Jesus is
> > God
> > > > in
> > > > > > the flesh" instead of "I confess that Jesus
> > > > Christ
> > > > > > IS come in the flesh."  The latter is the
> > word
> > > > of
> > > > > > God, the former is obviously the claim a
> > devil
> > > > > > makes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=5026
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I've blogged the whole thing at
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/post/index/173/Battlefield-Baptist-Church-and-SermonAudio
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quite amusing ... none of you would have
> > guessed
> > > > > > that you had a devil on the Apologetics
> > list!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > God bless,
> > > > > > Stephen
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Stephen Korsman
> > > > > > skorsman at theotokos.co.za
> > > > > > www.theotokos.co.za/adventism
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