[Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a devil!!!!!

Mon Jan 23 13:31:44 EST 2006

Stephen,

I really like finding guys like this. 

You can easily prove how totally wrong he is from
multiple secular sources, like well-known
encyclopedias.

And of course, when you show him clear-cut Bible
verses which support Catholic doctrines, you will help
him see ther truth. 

He might be in denial for a while, but eventually it
will be too much for him. When he realizes everything
he thought about the Church is untrue, then good
things can happen after that.

Art

--- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za> wrote:

> Hi
> 
> Sorry for the delayed reply ... I've been spending
> most of my time writing
> my thesis :-(
> 
> I would pass stuff on to that guy, but I only really
> see him in passing
> every few months, and he's not fixed in a certain
> area in the hospital.  In
> the discussion, I did point out that a lot of the
> things he said about
> Catholic teaching were based on misconceptions, but
> he clearly believed his
> pastor more than me, and wasn't particularly
> interested in hearing my
> arguments - he wanted to tell me I was wrong, not
> hear why that wasn't what
> I believed.  For people like that, who are fixed in
> their views, prayer is
> the only solution.
> 
> God bless,
> Stephen
> 
> 
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
> Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a
> devil!!!!!
> 
> 
> > Stephen,
> >
> > As far as I know, your words are perfectly fine.
> >
> > My point was that, even if they could be improved
> upon
> > in some way (and I don't know that they can), it
> is
> > absurd for anyone to go ballistic over them.
> >
> > The guy who engaged in this name-calling is not
> well.
> > As a doctor, you may recognize the symptoms. He
> should
> > receive treatment from a mental health
> professional.
> > And we should pray for him.
> >
> > As for the guy who approached you in the chapel,
> that
> > sounds like a GREAT apologetics opportunity to
> explain
> > what Catholics REALLY believe and WHY.
> >
> > If you didn't have the time to talk to him then,
> > perhaps you could make arrangements to sit down
> with
> > him over a beer (or if he is a fundamentalist, a
> > Coke)to talk about the faith.
> >
> > Even if he was not open to dialogue, you could
> have
> > given him some materials to read. Maybe Pillar of
> > Fire, Pillar of Truth at
> > http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp
> >
> > Catholic Answers also has good, short articles on
> > EVERY Protestant objection against the Church.
> Their
> > home page is at
> > http://www.catholic.com/default.asp
> >
> > Even now, when you see this guy, hand him a copy
> of
> > Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth. Ask him to read
> it
> > and then talk to you about it later.
> >
> > The easiest persons to convert are those who have
> > INACCURATE understandings of Catholicism. All you
> have
> > to do is prove to them that they are flat wrong
> about
> > some salient issue. After that, everything usually
> > goes very well.
> >
> > Of course, Adventists are not your typical
> > anti-Catholic, since Adventists are also
> > anti-Protestant and anti-Eastern Orthodox.
> >
> > I really appreciate the great work you've done
> with
> > the Adventists. You are meeting an important need.
> >
> > Art
> >
> > --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Hi
> > >
> > > Thanks ... and yes, the name calling is
> something I
> > > am more than used to.
> > > It still gets my blood pressure up, but I try to
> > > take such opportunities to
> > > use that energy to get some message out ... and
> I
> > > wanted to blog on the
> > > amount of back stabbing and bickering I've seen
> > > about each others' heresies
> > > in ways that amount to hellfire for ridiculous
> > > things like singing things
> > > other than psalms, which has made me understand
> the
> > > mockery of Christianity
> > > I've seen from non-Christians.  People feel
> > > Christians have judged them as
> > > damned, and all the while the same Christians
> are
> > > judging each other as
> > > damned for petty things.  People complain about
> the
> > > hypocrisy in
> > > Christianity ... it needs to be shown up for
> what it
> > > is - not real
> > > Christianity.
> > >
> > > It reminds me of a rather unpleasant experience
> I
> > > had at the hospital I work
> > > at ... I went to the chapel to pray one lunch
> time,
> > > and the chapel was
> > > empty, except for one guy who came in after a
> while.
> > >  He saw I had a rosary,
> > > and interrupted my praying to tell me that his
> > > pastor was an ex-Catholic and
> > > knows that we worship Mary as God and worship
> bread
> > > and believe in magical
> > > powers in this bread and don't believe the
> Bible,
> > > and that I should believe
> > > the Bible and be saved and believe in Jesus
> instead
> > > of the Pope.  He knew so
> > > much more about Catholicism than I did, so he
> > > thought, that in the end the
> > > only way to end it was to leave.  His looks each
> > > time we pass in the
> > > hospital make me feel judged, and I really
> dislike
> > > that.
> > >
> > > In what way would you say the statement could be
> > > fine tuned?  (No, I'm not
> > > taking offence ... I'm just curious.)
> > >
> > > Nearly 4am ... I'm off to bed.
> > >
> > > God bless,
> > > Stephen
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > > From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> > > To: "Apologetics Group"
> <apologetics at gathman.org>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:22 AM
> > > Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a
> > > devil!!!!!
> > >
> > >
> > > > Stephen,
> > > >
> > > > I see nothing wrong with your statement at
> all.
> > > Even
> > > > if the exact words could be fine-tuned a tad,
> that
> > > > does NOT make you a devil.
> > > >
> > > > For that mater, I don't consider Arians, Jews,
> > > > Muslims, or other non-Christians to be devils.
> > > > Mistaken but definitely not devils.
> > > >
> > > > Pray for this poor soul who is so worked up
> that
> > > he is
> > > > calling you absolutely ridiculous names. But I
> > > guess
> > > > from your long apologetics work with the
> > > Adventists,
> > > > you are used to being called names.
> > > >
> > > > Oh, by the way, Jesus was also called a devil.
> So
> > > you
> > > > are in good company.
> > > >
> > > > Art
> > > >
> > > > --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > Hi
> > > > >
> > > > > Apparently I am a devil, along with Judas
> > > Iscariot,
> > > > > because I said that "I believe that Jesus is
> God
> > > in
> > > > > the flesh" instead of "I confess that Jesus
> > > Christ
> > > > > IS come in the flesh."  The latter is the
> word
> > > of
> > > > > God, the former is obviously the claim a
> devil
> > > > > makes.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=5026
> > > > >
> > > > > I've blogged the whole thing at
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/post/index/173/Battlefield-Baptist-Church-and-SermonAudio
> > > > >
> > > > > Quite amusing ... none of you would have
> guessed
> > > > > that you had a devil on the Apologetics
> list!
> > > > >
> > > > > God bless,
> > > > > Stephen
> > > > > --
> > > > > Stephen Korsman
> > > > > skorsman at theotokos.co.za
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> > > >
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