[Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a devil!!!!!

Mon Jan 23 09:22:26 EST 2006

Hi

Sorry for the delayed reply ... I've been spending most of my time writing
my thesis :-(

I would pass stuff on to that guy, but I only really see him in passing
every few months, and he's not fixed in a certain area in the hospital.  In
the discussion, I did point out that a lot of the things he said about
Catholic teaching were based on misconceptions, but he clearly believed his
pastor more than me, and wasn't particularly interested in hearing my
arguments - he wanted to tell me I was wrong, not hear why that wasn't what
I believed.  For people like that, who are fixed in their views, prayer is
the only solution.

God bless,
Stephen

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 6:06 AM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a devil!!!!!

> Stephen,
>
> As far as I know, your words are perfectly fine.
>
> My point was that, even if they could be improved upon
> in some way (and I don't know that they can), it is
> absurd for anyone to go ballistic over them.
>
> The guy who engaged in this name-calling is not well.
> As a doctor, you may recognize the symptoms. He should
> receive treatment from a mental health professional.
> And we should pray for him.
>
> As for the guy who approached you in the chapel, that
> sounds like a GREAT apologetics opportunity to explain
> what Catholics REALLY believe and WHY.
>
> If you didn't have the time to talk to him then,
> perhaps you could make arrangements to sit down with
> him over a beer (or if he is a fundamentalist, a
> Coke)to talk about the faith.
>
> Even if he was not open to dialogue, you could have
> given him some materials to read. Maybe Pillar of
> Fire, Pillar of Truth at
> http://www.catholic.com/library/pillar.asp
>
> Catholic Answers also has good, short articles on
> EVERY Protestant objection against the Church. Their
> home page is at
> http://www.catholic.com/default.asp
>
> Even now, when you see this guy, hand him a copy of
> Pillar of Fire, Pillar of Truth. Ask him to read it
> and then talk to you about it later.
>
> The easiest persons to convert are those who have
> INACCURATE understandings of Catholicism. All you have
> to do is prove to them that they are flat wrong about
> some salient issue. After that, everything usually
> goes very well.
>
> Of course, Adventists are not your typical
> anti-Catholic, since Adventists are also
> anti-Protestant and anti-Eastern Orthodox.
>
> I really appreciate the great work you've done with
> the Adventists. You are meeting an important need.
>
> Art
>
> --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za> wrote:
>
> > Hi
> >
> > Thanks ... and yes, the name calling is something I
> > am more than used to.
> > It still gets my blood pressure up, but I try to
> > take such opportunities to
> > use that energy to get some message out ... and I
> > wanted to blog on the
> > amount of back stabbing and bickering I've seen
> > about each others' heresies
> > in ways that amount to hellfire for ridiculous
> > things like singing things
> > other than psalms, which has made me understand the
> > mockery of Christianity
> > I've seen from non-Christians.  People feel
> > Christians have judged them as
> > damned, and all the while the same Christians are
> > judging each other as
> > damned for petty things.  People complain about the
> > hypocrisy in
> > Christianity ... it needs to be shown up for what it
> > is - not real
> > Christianity.
> >
> > It reminds me of a rather unpleasant experience I
> > had at the hospital I work
> > at ... I went to the chapel to pray one lunch time,
> > and the chapel was
> > empty, except for one guy who came in after a while.
> >  He saw I had a rosary,
> > and interrupted my praying to tell me that his
> > pastor was an ex-Catholic and
> > knows that we worship Mary as God and worship bread
> > and believe in magical
> > powers in this bread and don't believe the Bible,
> > and that I should believe
> > the Bible and be saved and believe in Jesus instead
> > of the Pope.  He knew so
> > much more about Catholicism than I did, so he
> > thought, that in the end the
> > only way to end it was to leave.  His looks each
> > time we pass in the
> > hospital make me feel judged, and I really dislike
> > that.
> >
> > In what way would you say the statement could be
> > fine tuned?  (No, I'm not
> > taking offence ... I'm just curious.)
> >
> > Nearly 4am ... I'm off to bed.
> >
> > God bless,
> > Stephen
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----- 
> > From: "Art Kelly" <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
> > To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
> > Sent: Friday, January 20, 2006 3:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Stephen Korsman is a
> > devil!!!!!
> >
> >
> > > Stephen,
> > >
> > > I see nothing wrong with your statement at all.
> > Even
> > > if the exact words could be fine-tuned a tad, that
> > > does NOT make you a devil.
> > >
> > > For that mater, I don't consider Arians, Jews,
> > > Muslims, or other non-Christians to be devils.
> > > Mistaken but definitely not devils.
> > >
> > > Pray for this poor soul who is so worked up that
> > he is
> > > calling you absolutely ridiculous names. But I
> > guess
> > > from your long apologetics work with the
> > Adventists,
> > > you are used to being called names.
> > >
> > > Oh, by the way, Jesus was also called a devil. So
> > you
> > > are in good company.
> > >
> > > Art
> > >
> > > --- Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hi
> > > >
> > > > Apparently I am a devil, along with Judas
> > Iscariot,
> > > > because I said that "I believe that Jesus is God
> > in
> > > > the flesh" instead of "I confess that Jesus
> > Christ
> > > > IS come in the flesh."  The latter is the word
> > of
> > > > God, the former is obviously the claim a devil
> > > > makes.
> > > >
> > > >
> > http://www.sermonaudio.com/new_details3.asp?ID=5026
> > > >
> > > > I've blogged the whole thing at
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.theotokos.co.za/blog/post/index/173/Battlefield-Baptist-Church-and-SermonAudio
> > > >
> > > > Quite amusing ... none of you would have guessed
> > > > that you had a devil on the Apologetics list!
> > > >
> > > > God bless,
> > > > Stephen
> > > > --
> > > > Stephen Korsman
> > > > skorsman at theotokos.co.za
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