[Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video

[Dianne Dawson]

Art,

While you make some very valid points, I am most bothered by your last 
statement.  The Church rarely speaks any words of approval during the lifetime 
of someone who is allegedly receiving private messages.  She often speaks 
vehemently if the person is proved a fake.

Yes, the mind can do some fantastic things.  However, no one can make me believe 
that even the mind can instantaneously heal a profusely bleeding wound to the 
point that the skin shows no mark or scab.  I am not passing any judgment on any 
"message" just the reality of her wounds.  Remember, people tried to say Padre 
Pio faked his stigmata.  Look where his "fake" stigmata got him.... canonized.

Healthy skepticism and discernment is always necessary but I'd rather leave the 
condemnation up to the Church and until then I'll judge a tree by its fruit.

Dianne

Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.
Ps 42:1
 
 




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From: Art Kelly <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
To: Apologetics Group <apologetics at gathman.org>
Cc: Jimmy Murphy <jmurf80 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sat, September 25, 2010 10:00:51 PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video


Thanks, Dianne.  This is very interesting.

As noted in the telecast, the Church has NOT yet decided if this is real or 
not.  I don't think it is a hoax per se, but it is possible that this lady's 
mind is producing these wounds.  In medical history, the mind has sometimes been 
able to do amazing things to the body.

For instance, the placebo effect is real.  If you believe a medicine will cure 
you, even though a pill contains nothing of substance, in many cases, it 
will work. 

One thing that Jesus allegedly said in the apparation may be inconsistent with 
Catholicism, i.e. there are no moral or venial sins--all sins are the same.  
That contradicts St. John's 1st Epistle 5:16-17:

"If you see your brother or sister committing what is not a mortal sin, you will 
ask, and God will give life to such a one—to those whose sin is not mortal. 
There is sin that is mortal; I do not say that you should pray about that. All 
wrongdoing is sin, but there is sin that is not mortal."  (NRSV)

Thus, anything stated in an alleged apparation that is inconsistent with 
Scripture cannot be authentic.  But perhaps this lady misquoted or misunderstood 
Jesus.  If the apparation is real, maybe he meant that venial sins should be 
avoided too.  But he cannot have actually said that venial sins and mortal sins 
are the same.

I think this lady is sincere, but she is not unique.  I'd be willing to bet 
that, on any given day, there are hundreds (maybe thousands) of people in the 
world who think God has sent direct messages to them, sometimes telling them to 
do something, even illegal things.

I'd like to know more about this woman's background.  What medical problems, 
including mental problems, has she had in the past, if any?

I have a feeling the Church will not approve this matter.

Art
--- On Fri, 9/24/10, Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com> wrote:


>From: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com>
>Subject: [Apologetics] Incredible, riveting video
>To: "Apologetics Group" <apologetics at gathman.org>
>Date: Friday, September 24, 2010, 11:15 PM
>
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>This is the most incredible, riveting video I can remember seeing.  Each one of 
>the three segments is approx. 12 min long but well worth it.  Whether or not you 
>believe, you have to admit that it is captivating.
> 
>http://youshallbelieve.com/?page_id=70
> 
>Dianne
> 
>Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.
>Ps 42:1
> 
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