[Apologetics] Bob Sungenis cited as Catholic authority

[Dianne Dawson]

Here's a good article:  http://www.soladeiverbum.com/massmain.shtml, titled:
The Mass is a Propitiatory 
Sacrifice
Dianne

The smallest drop of the Most Precious Blood of our Saviour and God, Our Lord Christ Jesus, is greater in dignity than the cosmos and every human and angelic soul ever created by Him. (Fr. Z)
 
 
 

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 From: Stuart Gathman <stuart at gathman.org>
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Subject: [Apologetics] Bob Sungenis cited as Catholic authority
  

http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Roman%20Catholicism/roman_catholic_salvation.htm

What do you all think of the quote from Sungenis?

Do any of you remember the day I got banned from Sungenis seminars? 
    I have reconstructed my question.

I opened up my bible to Hebrews to jog my memory, and this is the
    question (while Bob was teaching on Hebrews 9):

Hebrews 9:24-28

For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others; For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.  And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgement: So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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How is Christ offered as a sacrifice daily (or continuously as Bob was emphasizing in light of world time zones and a global Church) in the Mass, when Hebrews says he does *not* offer himself often?

This has a standard answer in the Catechism in paragraph 1545, 

The redemptive sacrifice of Christ is unique, accomplished once for all; yet it is made present in the Eucharistic sacrifice of the Church.  The same is true of the one priesthood of Christ; it is made present through the ministerial priesthood without diminishing the uniqueness of Christ's priesthood: "Only Christ is the true priest, the others being only his ministers"  [emphasis mine]
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Furthermore, Bob was drawing an analogy of the continuous offering of the Mass around the world to eternity.  And other Catholic writers have emphasized the fact that all of our time is the "present" to God.  So it seemed like the perfect softball question, leading in to a discussion of how the Mass connects time with eternity.

So why did this get Bob off track?  I see now that this is a popular attack from anti-catholic writers, and he didn't seem to be familiar with the catechism answer (unlike Protestant Catechisms, the current Catholic one has 2865 paragraphs!), so he felt as if I'd undermined his entire lecture, and started trying to come up with some sort of answer off the cuff (still trying to remember what his answer was).

Does anyone remember what Bob's answer was?
 
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