[Apologetics] Latin Days Are Here Again?

[Dianne Dawson]

I strongly suspect it's more of an ego-thing at this point and there won't be any reconciliation - but one can always pray, for nothing is impossible for God.

Dianne

 
Like a deer that longs for running waters so my soul longs for you, O God.
Ps 42:1
 
 



----- Original Message ----
From: Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
To: Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com>; Apologetics Group <apologetics at gathman.org>; Jim Murphy <jmurf80 at bellsouth.net>; Michele Allen <arochaallen at juno.com>; Lynn Kelly <lkelly at nvrinc.com>; Nancy Penta <nancy.penta at loudoun.gov>; Carol Beutner <buet4u at verizon.net>; Mary Sullivan <maryshanno at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 6:06:20 PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are Here Again?

 
Hi
 
I totally agree.  It's interesting, 
yes.
 
I think I just took your statement and rephrased it 
... then took it a bit further.  Sorry if I took you too much out of 
context.
 
These are really more than 
ultra-conservatives.  They're extremists.  They're like the Amish, 
only liturgically so.
 
By the end of the week we'll know, hopefully, what 
the SSPX decides about reunion.
 
God bless,
Stephen
----- Original Message ----- 
From: Dianne Dawson 
To: Stephen Korsman ; Apologetics Group ; Jim Murphy ; Michele  Allen ; Lynn  Kelly ; Nancy Penta ; Carol Beutner ; Mary  Sullivan 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:45 
PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are  Here Again?

Stephen,
I  believe I said that they "tend to lean more toward the  ultra-conservative."  While I don't agree with their stance on the Novus Ordo or the papacy, those views don't make the article  uninteresting.
Dianne 
 
Like a deer that longs  for running waters so my soul longs for you, O  God.
Ps  42:1
 
 



-----  Original Message ----
From: Stephen Korsman <skorsman at theotokos.co.za>
To:  Dianne Dawson <rcdianne at yahoo.com>; Apologetics Group  <apologetics at gathman.org>;  Jim Murphy <jmurf80 at bellsouth.net>; Michele  Allen <arochaallen at juno.com>;  Lynn Kelly <lkelly at nvrinc.com>;  Nancy Penta <nancy.penta at loudoun.gov>; Carol  Beutner <buet4u at verizon.net>;  Mary Sullivan <maryshanno at gmail.com>
Sent:  Monday, June 23, 2008 12:16:36 PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are  Here Again?

 
Hi
 
The Traditional Mass website appears to be run by  ultra-"conservatives", yes - more "conservative" than the SSPX.  In fact,  they appear to be an SSPX splinter group, and sede vacantists at  that.
 
The website links to their parish - http://www.sgg.org/
 
The parish website links to a page about their  clergy - http://www.sgg.org/general-info/clergy/
 
Their bishop was ordained a priest by Lefebvre,  and later left due to Lefebvre's liturgical reforms.
 
The page states:
 
As a seminarian at Ecône in autumn  1973, he had already come to the conclusion that the only logical explanation  for evil of the the New Mass and the errors of Vatican II was that Paul VI,  due to personal heresy, had lost the pontificate. Ever since, he has  steadfastly held that position regarding Paul VI and his successors, and never  once acknowledged them as popes in the Canon of his Mass.
 
Their articles at http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/index.php include  several on the heresies of Pope (they don't call him that) Benedict XVI, and a  host of other oddities, including their sede vacantist position.
 
Their seminary is the Most Holy Trinity Seminary  in Warren, Michigan, is sede vacantist:
 
The Seminary professes that  Vatican II and the doctrinal, disciplinary and liturgical reforms which have  proceeded from it are substantial alterations of the Catholic Faith. It  professes that these heretical, evil, and blasphemous reforms can in no way  proceed from the Roman Catholic Church, since she is infallible in her  doctrines, her disciplines, and her liturgical worship. The Seminary therefore  professes that the members of the Novus Ordo hierarchy (including and  especially Benedict XVI), despite any and all appearances of authority, are  not true Catholic popes nor true Catholic bishops, and do not possess the  authority to rule, for they are the authors of the doctrinal, disciplinary and  liturgical abominations which have invaded our holy places. The Seminary  professes that they are false shepherds, and ought to be denounced as  such. -- http://www.mostholytrinityseminary.org/aboutus.htm
 
God bless,
Stephen
 
-----  Original Message ----- 
From: Dianne Dawson 
To: Apologetics Group ; Jim  Murphy ; Michele Allen ; Lynn Kelly ; Nancy  Penta ; Carol  Beutner ; Mary Sullivan 
Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 3:11 PM
Subject: Re: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are Here Again?

Even  though the folks at Traditional Mass tend to lean more toward the ultra-conservative, there is an interesting  comparison of the Pius V Mass and the John XXIII Mass at: http://www.traditionalmass.org/articles/article.php?id=18&catname=6

Also,  there is an interesting forum discussion, "How does the EF  (1962) differ from the Mass of the 1950's?" at: http://musicasacra.com/forum/comments.php?DiscussionID=431

Dianne

 
Like a deer  that longs for running waters so my soul longs for  you, O God.
Ps  42:1
 
 



-----  Original Message ----
From: Art Kelly <arthurkelly at yahoo.com>
To:  Apologetics Group <apologetics at gathman.org>;  Jim Murphy <jmurf80 at bellsouth.net>;  Michele Allen <arochaallen at juno.com>; Lynn  Kelly <lkelly at nvrinc.com>; Nancy Penta  <nancy.penta at loudoun.gov>;  Carol Beutner <buet4u at verizon.net>; Mary Sullivan  <maryshanno at gmail.com>
Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:52:44  PM
Subject: [Apologetics] Latin Days Are Here Again?


Latin Days Are Here Again?
 
In Newsweek, George Weigel writes in part:

It was to accelerate that "reform of the reform" that Benedict XVI  issued a decree last summer permitting the widespread use of the 1962  Roman rite, known technically as the Missal of John XXIII. Amidst the recent, fevered  speculations that Latin days are here again, it's important to note  what the Missal of John XXIII is not. It is not the  "Tridentine Rite," because it includes modifications of the missal  mandated by the Council of Trent in the 16th century; it is not the  "mass of Pius V," which some Catholic megatraditionalists argue is the  only valid form of Catholic worship. It is, in fact, the mass as  celebrated every day at every session of the Second Vatican  Council.
 
The full article is at
http://www.newsweek.com/id/142217
 
Art 


      
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